afternoon gents and thanx for replies; to be honest having looked there doesnt seem to be much i can do without the aforementioned deep pockets! ..i didnt realise they couldnt be chipped ..i was told a spoon ecu? but i know nothing about them.. i suspect itll have to be an induction kit, k+n appollo maybe and a de cat for now, i know with my bikes letting them breath easier makes a difference but not really a lot any ideas