ive got a mecanic onside, im just looking for possibles, vts vtr etc. even the v6 mod would only cost me 500
If you can find a 2.2 HDi engine you'll have a lively little beast
The 2.2 HDi (2179cc) diesel unit will flatten the 2.2 petrol engine. I've been quite gentle in my diesel favourite ways for a while but Waynne has re-awakened my awareness.
Remapped especially you'll find it disturbingly good to drive and genuinely quick. Not as in quick 'for a diesel'.
i think im going for the 406 2.0 engine, tuboing, port and polish remap tune polish pimp it out. then just for lafs im leaving the outside standard. im racing against some friends in a years time and theres some tuff stuff to compete with so im gonna hope that i can cash in with handling!
p.s. you know that the v6 weighs almost 1.5 times the 406 2.0 and at BEST will give 210 whereas the 406 can be tuned to 157 and with a few other mod that will actually lighten the car you can get it up to 200.....then add a turbo
what the hell does the hdi produce??
Have to say that is Very impressive, sorry to sound pessemistic its only that i have never seen a quick diesel, but if your car has the power you say it has its gotta be quick!
Whilst I mostly agree, I wouldn't suggest that anyone buys a diesel for performance alone either lol. One of the biggest drawbacks is the relatively low rpms your average diesel is capable of. Take the V-tecs for example, they use cams and a high rpm to compete with more powerful cars in the acceleration stakes. By the time you've changed into fourth to get to 60 (exaggeration I know), whatever petrol you were racing has gone
Firstly, making the car lighter does not increase engine power or torque output.
My remapped HDi rercently recorded 204 PS on a calibrated dyno (and that's with 124,000 on the clock so it's surviving well, having been mapped since 55,000 - I've owned it since 33,000.
That is, of course with a custom remap, BUT, everything else is standard!
PS is not BHP so it's somewhere over 190 bhp but less than 200.
What this doesn't demonstrate is the sheer muscle available everywhere else.
320+ lbft is in the league of 4 litre petrol V8 engines - and the general driving feel is much the same, ie effortless.
It is quick, 0-62mph is not a diesel car's party trick but it is easily achieved in 8 seconds. If you really want to shred the clutch and tyres then I think you'd manage it in 7.
Moreover, try the 30-60mph in 3rd gear test - well under 5 seconds.
This trait continues up the box, with immense thrust in fourth and fifth.
Truly, don't ignore diesel engines these days. Most are cautiously under-tuned from the factory in order to keep a market for the manufacturers' petrol models.
I used to HATE diesels passionately. Because they were simply horrid. Painfully slow, and rough and noisy and dirty and smelly and slow and slow and bloody slow. Something of a revelation has taken place.
My previous car (had that new in 1997 and kepy 'til 2005) was a petrol Primera 2.0 with the SR20DE 16 valve engine with 150 bhp. It was truly lively. And they still are. But my remapped 2.2 406 diesel will flatten it on the road.
I still don't prescribe diesel above all else. If cash was no object then possibly I'd go for a large capacity V8 petrol but cash isn't limitless so I haven't. But I might be tempted by a VW Phaeton V10 TDi.
Have you ever driven the accord vtec????!!!! it would destroy MOST cars even the 1.8 a few mods and it will EASLIY do 60 in 1st!!! and progress to 110 in 3rd!!!! Dont get me Wrong but seriouly you think you can compete against that...Originally Posted by MasterAuron
Whilst I mostly agree, I wouldn't suggest that anyone buys a diesel for performance alone either lol. One of the biggest drawbacks is the relatively low rpms your average diesel is capable of. Take the V-tecs for example, they use cams and a high rpm to compete with more powerful cars in the acceleration stakes. By the time you've changed into fourth to get to 60 (exaggeration I know), whatever petrol you were racing has gone
Have you ever driven the accord vtec????!!!! it would destroy MOST cars even the 1.8 a few mods and it will EASLIY do 60 in 1st!!! and progress to 110 in 3rd!!!! Dont get me Wrong but seriouly you think you can compete against that...
Fair point. Diesels don't rev as high as petrols. Mine has a 5300 red line. very high. It's also pointless using it. It's a limit, not a prescriptive target.
I am going to take issue with your point, and I quote 'whatever petrol you were racing has gone'..
Firstly, I do not prescribe racing on the road.
Secondly, your statement, and I quote, "whatever petrol you were racing has gone" is bereft of clarity. You are implying that any petrol car will always be quicker than any diesel car. Are you content that this is the case?
Rgds,
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I suppose you could argue that the diesel develops more torque lower down so the low comparatively low revs at which you change up are countered by the fact that a diesel engine will produce copious amounts of acceleration from well below 2000rpm whereas a peaky turbo petrol will need to be singing above 4000rpm all the time.Wrong. I'm sorry but I totally disagree. My Ti spools up at around 2500rpm and goes straight for 8psi of boost which is standard on these. Then further up the revs it boosts again to 11psi and then at nearly the top of the range it settles back at 8psi. So my car is no slow coach off the line. Infact these Ti's produce so much torque in first gear that they tend to blow gearbox's up. I'd put my Ti up against any 2 litre Turbo diesel. And i'd even have a go at Hdi's as well. Track time I think when the Ti is up and running.
I suppose you could argue that the diesel develops more torque lower down so the low comparatively low revs at which you change up are countered by the fact that a diesel engine will produce copious amounts of acceleration from well below 2000rpm whereas a peaky turbo petrol will need to be singing above 4000rpm all the time.Wrong. I'm sorry but I totally disagree. My Ti spools up at around 2500rpm and goes straight for 8psi of boost which is standard on these. Then further up the revs it boosts again to 11psi and then at nearly the top of the range it settles back at 8psi. So my car is no slow coach off the line. Infact these Ti's produce so much torque in first gear that they tend to blow gearbox's up. I'd put my Ti up against any 2 litre Turbo diesel. And i'd even have a go at Hdi's as well. Track time I think when the Ti is up and running.
OK, invitation ackonwledged and accepted.
When?
TN - you do need to moderate your approach within TCars. Much as you like petrol cars and detest diesel ones you are leaving yourself open to some ridicule. Simply by way of your self righteous and unforgiving demeanour.
If you want to play diplomat then you're failing miserably.
I have never addressed you in such a prescriptive and derogatory manner.
Understand this, TN69, if it's a battle of wits (to which it seems you are subscribing) then I will take you to pieces very swiftly, very formally and finally.
I suppose you could argue that the diesel develops more torque lower down so the low comparatively low revs at which you change up are countered by the fact that a diesel engine will produce copious amounts of acceleration from well below 2000rpm whereas a peaky turbo petrol will need to be singing above 4000rpm all the time.
OK, invitation ackonwledged and accepted.
When?
TN - you do need to moderate your approach within TCars. Much as you like petrol cars and detest diesel ones you are leaving yourself open to some ridicule. Simply by way of your self righteous and unforgiving demeanour.
If you want to play diplomat then you're failing miserably.
I have never addressed you in such a prescriptive and derogatory manner.
Understand this, TN69, if it's a battle of wits (to which it seems you are subscribing) then I will take you to pieces very swiftly, very formally and finally.
Mate I think you misunderstand me. I'm not playing at a single thing. I was purely putting my point across. Also as said before I don't hate diesels at all. My point was that my Rover spools up it's turbo very quickly which means it pulls very very strong all the way through the rev range.
And I can assure you i'm not playing any games with anyone.
OK, I just sometimes think that you're a bit over zealous in the way you communicate your point, or maybe in the way that you tell others that they are wrong.
I don't have a problem with you not being especially fond of diesel cars. I'm not here to convert anybody. I'm not a convert either.
I'm sorry for my slightly agressive post as it makes me appear somewhat undiplomatic.