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Thinking of upgrading my speakers

Discussion in '205/206/207/208 forums' started by Chris7024, 16 January 2009.

  1. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    I want to get an amp, get better speakers and get a bass box. Can I get good quality stuff for £300?
    Will it really be alot better than my current speakers? Will the bass vibrate alot like in nightclubs?
     
  2. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    Do you really need the bass box? Are you trying to impress the Chicks? I would recommend getting a good amp and bass and then upgrading your speakers if you still feel you need to (unless your current speakers are rattly and distort). The power comes from the low down bass box.

    What head unit have you got?
     
  3. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    My speakers sound pretty good... I put the bass quite high and it gets quite crackly on most songs from volume 12 out of 30. Maybe I won't bother changing the speakers, if you say it isn't necessary. How much do you think a good amp would cost? And I want vibrating bass like they have in nightclubs, but that I can alter so it's not too little or too much. Is the best way to get that by buying a bass box and using it with an amp?
     
  4. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    in short yeah.
    youll need the amp to power the sub. get a amp that has remote gain so you can control it from up front
     
  5. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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  6. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    dont think it has remote gain.

    to be honest mate you struggled to change a headlight bulb, although the wiring is easy enough id advise you to to get it fitted.

    you will also need a wiring pack for that
     
  7. Ztevieboy

    Ztevieboy Full member

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    There is another alternative, custom fit speakers. These are manufactured by the better speaker companies Sony, Kenwood, JBL etc. and are made to fit theexisting car speaker pod.

    They are a much higher quality speaker than standard equipment fitted by car manufacturers and can handle a much higher input and therefore give a much better output.
    I would replace your standard speakers with custom fits first as you would notice a massive difference, then decide whether the amp and bass box are really necessary.
     
  8. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    I didn't get the chance to read any of your posts before I bought it... but I didn't buy that one anyway. I just bought the one they said is the best for £100, it's huge!
    This is it: http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/...uctId_506219_langId_-1_categoryId_165748#dtab
    It's got the remote and it's got the wiring pack, so it's gotta be good, it sure looks good.
    If I want Halfords to fit it I have to wait another 2 weeks and I have to pay £40. Do you think I'd find some random garage that will do it earlier and for cheaper? Or do you know any stores similar to Halfords who will do it?
     
  9. Ztevieboy

    Ztevieboy Full member

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    This all depends on how this sub is going to connect to your head unit.
    If your head unit has RCA audio outs on the rear then you would need to run a connecting cable from the back of the head unit all the way to the sub unit in the boot.

    If your head unit does not have the red and white sockets(RCA audio out) on the back then the sub just needs a hi level input from one of your rear speakers. So in effect a piggy back set up where the amp takes its live feed from an existing speaker. This does not affect the speaker in question.(A converter is available from car accessory shops which can turn speaker inputs into RCA inputs for under £10)
    The amp also needs an amp remote connection that switches it on and off when you turn the head unit on and off. This is usually a blue wire that exits the rear of the head unit.
    The amp also needs a permanent live feed usually connected direct to the battery by a thick red cable with an in line fuse for surge protection.
    Not forgetting the amp needs to be earthed to a good earth point also with an earth cable.

    So taking this into consideration the cost could vary depending on the amount of time needed to hide and secure all the necessary wiring which depends on which method is used to make all the connections.

    In summary £40 seems pretty reasonable to me but by all means do a few google searches for mobile I.C.E fitters and get a couple of quotes, then compare with Halfords.
     
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  10. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    Do you think I could just try a random garage on the road and see if they will do it for cheaper?
     
  11. Ztevieboy

    Ztevieboy Full member

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    Always worth asking, or maybe one of their lads might do it as a foreigner after work for less than forty quid.
     
  12. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Ztevieboy - have you check you profile visitor messages?
     
  13. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    I've found 2 proper car audio shops, I'll give them a call
     
  14. Ztevieboy

    Ztevieboy Full member

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    Yes matey cheers for that :)
     
  15. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    Ok I've got it fitted and it sounds awesome and makes the car shake.
    I've got a couple of questions if anyone can answer them...
    If I turn the bass up too much will it cause hearing problems? Or will that only happen if you turn the volume up too much? Will this also damage any part of the car like the windows?
    And how can I get the best sound? I want clear vocals and clear but powerful, vibrating bass. There's "level", "low pass filter" and "bass" controls on the sub, can I change these in some way to improve the sound? Also my car has an EQ built in to the CD player and you can control "bass", "treble", "loudness".
    Also, can I balance the bass to make it have the same level of volume throughout the car instead of the bass being extra loud for rear passengers? I have a setting on the car that will let me fade the sound to different sections of the car (e.g. front left speakers, rear right speaker etc.)
     
  16. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    BASS can create low frequency sounds that you can't hear but will still damage your hearing.

    Any ringing in your ears is a warning message and means that some hearing damage has occurred. This is cumulative and the more you do it the worse it gets. Keep the volume at the level you are first comfortable with. The ear adjusts and it is tempting to turn it up further.

    To setup the EQ you just need to play with it. Listen to some classical, Rock, Drum N Bass and speech and see which settings work the best. For me I use the Bass boost for music and turn it off for speech as it makes it indestinct.
     
  17. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    Ok I've definitely had ringing in my ears after leaving my car. But I always get ringing in my ears when I come home after being in a nightclub all night. Sometimes I look in the mirror when I get home and my eyes are all red, could be the music in the club burst the blood vessels in my eyes. If my ears are ringing after being in a nightclub is it that bad that they ring after leaving my car?
     
  18. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    CLipping distortion will do more harm than pure perceived loudness.
     
  19. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    Yip in short that means its too loud.

    the red eyes can be down to the alcohol and lack of sleep
     
  20. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Or the amplifiers are hitting the supply rails and can't dish out any more current
     
  21. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    sorry HDi i was on about the tinnitus.
    not the clipping, but thats a killer or most cheap setups
     
  22. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    Short term tinnitus is annoying. I really sympathise with anyone who lived with it day in day out.
     
  23. Ztevieboy

    Ztevieboy Full member

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    Hmmm that'll be me then :( Had severe ringing in the ears for around 6 or 7 years now. Thats from a mixture of loud stuff, 20+ years playing in Bands, 15+ years working in engineering, loud motorbikes and loud music.

    Yeah the thumping bass might turn heads 'n all but keep the volume to a reasonable level for a couple of reasons,

    1 - the obvious - your hearing WILL suffer unrepairable damage
    2 - speaking from experience - you may not hear that ambulance behind you in traffic with the old dear in the back having a stroke!!!

    Seriously though, the balance,fade,bass,treble,loudness, crossover settings etc. are all a matter of taste. It depends how you like your music to sound. Car accoustics are funny things,and each make and model reverberates differently to the next. Its a case of trial and error until you find a good level for each setting.
     
  24. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    Just to drive the point home. RINGING IN YOUR EARS IS A SIGN OF DAMAGE. It is cumulative and eventually the ringing will not stop. Also as you get older the damage done becomes more evident and noticable.

    Even in night clubs you can suffer from permenant hearing damage. Hearing damage is something you will regret when you have to live with it constantly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus - Read PREVENTION.
     
  25. Chris7024

    Chris7024 Torque Junkie

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    It says 70dB can cause hearing damage. But nightclubs play music usually at at least 90dB and sometimes over 100dB (I believe 90dB is the legal limit, but they all go over it). So how can someone prevent hearing damage, just not go to a nightclub?
    I think my amp goes up to 135dB. How will I know what level of dB it's at?
     
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