Should model revisions be revolutionary or evolutionary

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When it comes to manufacturers designing new models should they go with revolutionary ideas or just evolve the current styles.

The New Civic was quite Revolutionary wheras the Astra and Escort models were little more than a modest evolution.

Which do you think works best? Do you embrace change or prefer to stick with what you are familiar with?
 
waynne said:
When it comes to manufacturers designing new models should they go with revolutionary ideas or just evolve the current styles.

The New Civic was quite Revolutionary wheras the Astra and Escort models were little more than a modest evolution.

Which do you think works best? Do you embrace change or prefer to stick with what you are familiar with?
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I dunno it depends. Because I don't like the way the Scoob evolved but I do like the way the Evo range evolved they just seemed to get better. I'm in the middle on this one. I guess it's if the manufacturers get it right...
 
If the current model is a best seller then it is evolution, as per Mitsubishi. Why change a winning formula? For those that falter or get too long in the tooth then they should look for revolutionary. Very few manufacturers take the jump and stick to their comfort zones.
 
If the previous car was a dog in reliability and popularity then it's probably best to kill off the name altogether even if the changes under the skin are mild.
 
They changed the Escort brand into the Focus, do you think this was down to image then?

When you look at the Corrola's many incarnations with some big model changes over the years should they have gone with a new name?
 
i have to go with stam on this one, if it aint broke don't fix it. now if the previous model didn't do so well or had issues, by all means change it, but your better off changing the name as well. Takes alot more positive than negative to convince the buyer. depending on the consumer 1 negative feedback can kill 20 or more positive if it is a major issue or wrote by a convincing person. Also, don't just change the name and nothing else, you will have to do major design changes as well or it will still by tied to the previous version.
 
i think they should ghange them entirely unless as was said,they have a winning formaula,like the new evo and the way the scoody evolved,i hate it.why change a winning formula?? ok,the car manufacterers feel they need to keep with the times and keep changing things but for gos sake why change the things that won them success in the first place?the golf many evos werew nice and subtle until the 5 but thats ok,because its a great car,at first i thought it was all over the sqaure golf look was gone but you see the old golfs in it more and more as you see it,i think those crafty germans designed it like that!
 
check out the new Ford RS coming in march i think 2.5 v6 turbo engine, looks quite nice aswell, alloys are lush, not too sure about the roof spoiler though, gives it a lil chavvy look, but the price tag is way outta their league, 25k!
 
Hayley1 said:
check out the new Ford RS coming in march i think 2.5 v6 turbo engine, looks quite nice aswell, alloys are lush, not too sure about the roof spoiler though, gives it a lil chavvy look, but the price tag is way outta their league, 25k!
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Sounded good until you said 25k :amazed: Not for a ford i'm afraid......
 
stamford said:
If the current model is a best seller then it is evolution, as per Mitsubishi. Why change a winning formula? For those that falter or get too long in the tooth then they should look for revolutionary. Very few manufacturers take the jump and stick to their comfort zones.
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thats true mate, the mx5 and the bmw e36 were both cars that didnt change shape for nearly 10 years,
 
best example of an unchanged,ever popular,ever improving and forever classic the porsche 911,one of my favourates,and remains unchanged to this very day.1963-2009 46 YEARS!!!!!!!!! the biggest changes so far being on late 89 when the switch from rear to fOUR wheel drive was made and 97 the change from air cooled to water cooled.PROOF OF WHY NOT TO CHANGE A WINNING FORMAULA i have a friend who this year bought a 911 gt3 in white and my mind was blown away just hearing about the aerodynamics,high reving,315 tyres!!! he origionally had an evo 5 and before that an impreza when they first came out.after driving porsches and beemer all his life he vowed never to go back to rear wheel drive but said he couldnt help himself,420bhp,screaming 3.6 falt 6 true breed sports car,he says on the backroads of ?????? where he used to fetch 100-110 mph in the evo hes blasting out speeds of 140-160 MPH IN THE GT3!!!!!! DONT CHANGE A WINNING FORMULA,JUST IMPROVE ON IT.
 
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The Escort's of the mid 1990's immediately before the Focus were very good cars indeed. The abolition of the CVH (combined vibration and harshness) engines was a good move.

The Focus was a winner from day one. Brilliantly conceived, reliable and handled like a dream even in modest 1.6 guise.

It would never have been so successful had the Escort badge remained.

Ford has a habit of this. Much like the Sierra. The 92-93 K reg models were superb and the real sparkle was RWD, although the earlier ones were ropey apart from the brilliant and brutal XR4i.

The Mondeo built upon this late earned reputation. Mondeo is one of the best handling FWD cars ever. With the possible exception of the P11 Primeras of which both TN69 and myself are so very fond.
 
HDi fun said:
The Escort's of the mid 1990's immediately before the Focus were very good cars indeed. The abolition of the CVH (combined vibration and harshness) engines was a good move.

The Focus was a winner from day one. Brilliantly conceived, reliable and handled like a dream even in modest 1.6 guise.

It would never have been so successful had the Escort badge remained.

Ford has a habit of this. Much like the Sierra. The 92-93 K reg models were superb and the real sparkle was RWD, although the earlier ones were ropey apart from the brilliant and brutal XR4i.

The Mondeo built upon this late earned reputation. Mondeo is one of the best handling FWD cars ever. With the possible exception of the P11 Primeras of which both TN69 and myself are so very fond.
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I love the Primera's handling it's awesome... I also actually like the Mondeo handling too. And the comfort in a Mondeo is unreal... The XR4x4 range were amazing handlers too and the 2.9 version was rapid.....
But why did Subaru change the look of the Mk1 Impreza. That model in my opinion is still now the best looking impreza. Especially the P1.:D
 
What puzzles me is that the 406s are reported to be lovely handling cars. They are certainly comfortable with loads of kit - mine has fully electric front seats (not just height adjustment), cruise control, self dipping mirrors, full climate etc etc and it's hushed like a Jag on the move. I agree that they're tidy and grippy but I think that the Primera would flatten it on the twisty stuff.

The Peugeot 405 was a far better handler than the 406 in my opinion. But I still reckon the Primera would show that a clean pair of heels.

The Primera badge has been killed off because it became synonymous with Grandad's car. It's anything but; only those who drive them are aware of this well kept secret.
 
HDi fun said:
The Primera badge has been killed off because it became synonymous with Grandad's car. It's anything but; only those who drive them are aware of this well kept secret.
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A very true statement. I've suprised plenty of people on the country lanes cause I could keep up with them through the bends in the Primera. On a totally dry day I can keep up with scoob's in the bends. But only when it's bone dry...:D
 
I remember borrowing a Jaguar XK8 in early 2000 and finding it to be a delight to drive on familiar roads. Except, that is, for a few bends on the B4011 (Thame to Bicester Road). Where, I wondered, how the hell it was that I'd managed to negotiate them at 80mph plus in my Primera, day-in-day-out. The XK8 was getting twitchy approaching 70 on the same bends.

The downhill right hander by HM Prison Bullingdon is a good example.

This is often the case with grippy, sporty handling cars. It's not until you drive something else in the same conditions that you notice how grippy they were in the first place.

The XK8 is obviously set up for comfort, I imagine the the R is much firmer. But, even so, you'd think that £50k worth of Jag would out handle and out grip £17k worth of Nissan!
 
HDi fun said:
I remember borrowing a Jaguar XK8 in early 2000 and finding it to be a delight to drive on familiar roads. Except, that is, for a few bends on the B4011 (Thame to Bicester Road). Where, I wondered, how the hell it was that I'd managed to negotiate them at 80mph plus in my Primera, day-in-day-out. The XK8 was getting twitchy approaching 70 on the same bends.

The downhill right hander by HM Prison Bullingdon is a good example.

This is often the case with grippy, sporty handling cars. It's not until you drive something else in the same conditions that you notice how grippy they were in the first place.

The XK8 is obviously set up for comfort, I imagine the the R is much firmer. But, even so, you'd think that £50k worth of Jag would out handle and out grip £17k worth of Nissan!
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I've had no end of expensive sports cars in my rear view mirror on the country lanes round here. Mainly because of all the bends. I can get through the bends quicker in my Primera than just about anything. Provided it's a dry day. Don't get me wrong it is very good in the wet but alot of sports cars now are 4wd so would obviously kill me in the wet. But in the dry there's not much around here that can keep up with me through the bends. An thats the truth....Superb handling cars....:D:D
 
4wd doesn't make much difference at all to lateral grip. Just allows you to get the power down a bit earlier exiting a bend.

It makes no difference at all on the way into one. Wet or dry.

My P11 was stunning in the wet. I used Goodyear Venturas all round for years and it really did bite the road.
 
HDi fun said:
4wd doesn't make much difference at all to lateral grip. Just allows you to get the power down a bit earlier exiting a bend.

It makes no difference at all on the way into one. Wet or dry.

My P11 was stunning in the wet. I used Goodyear Venturas all round for years and it really did bite the road.
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Mine grips well in the wet but with the de-cat and induction etc it can get a bit slippy on the front end. But when the front starts to go all I do is lift of an then catch the back end as it swings out abit. It is so controlable an fun I did find myself 1 night in the wet loosing the front on purpose just to get that lift off oversteer....:D:D:D
 
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