put turbo on 1y engine opinions please

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ibizz

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hello people

im thinking put turbo in my 1y engine from a seat ibiza 1.9d
same blocks have crafted d/td on them , others as only d , mine as casted 1.9td in block .
people here says that blocks that as casted d/td on them have oil injectores , for cooling pistons , so are turbo friendly , others says its the same block as 1.9td aaz but without turbo , and lda in fuel pump ..
says 1.9 td must ive oil injectors too .
some says that compress ratio are diferent , manny oficial papers and manuals give the same compression for the d and td .

same says that can be turboed but not put manny pression on them .
others says that pistons and rods are not equal , say that 1y have smaller pistons and bigger rods . td as biger pistons and smaller rods ..

that here im stuk !
diferences between pistons and rods in the 1y for aaz engine
i know what i need for put turbo in it
pump from aaz , exaust colectors from 1.9tdi 90hp or 1.6gtd
admission colectores from 1y or 1.9tdi 130 hp
turbo im thinking in vnt 15 or gt 15 or k24

same one give me opinions and facts ?
of what problems i must ive ?

whats best to use

and things like that

il apreciate some help

and hopfully this il turn a sucess tunned engine
 

pgarner

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i think the problem we dont get that engine, and really theres not much point throwing lots of cash at a non turbo engine when there are turbo versions already there.
why spend whatever building up the 68bhp (im guessing the 1y is a derivative of the SDI engine - cant rememberer its code at the min) when you spend the money and get the 150bhp engine and have a bit of money there to take it further.
this also helps with the reliability of the engine. again the non turbo engine isnt as strong as the turbo engine over here so if you did theoretically build the engine up to lets say the 150bhp it wouldnt be as reliable as the standard 150bhp so you could find yourself lying in bits at the side of the road with no engine

it makes more financial sense

Paul
 

ibizz

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yes it make sense!

and i understend you perfectly .
but the real fun is to put 1 y engine , more powerfull then the originals tds and tdis..
 

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There may be a reason why they never put a turbo on as standord. I'd call the manufacture and check to see if the Pistons, cams, rods can handle the extra pressure. To replace all of them would cost a small fortune, not to mention the impact on the cooling system.
 

ibizz

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thanks for your opinion



my block as cast 1.9 td on it , the block and head are same as aaz (original 1.9td)
pressure its the same in the two engines.
the mainn diference i found is that my rods are longer with shorter pistons
original td is shorter rods and biger pistons .
there i guy that ive work with this 2 engines and says that are almost the same and in fact he says that my engine as stronger rods than original td.
i meat another guy in vw forum that already do 1 conversion like that one that im thinking.
he says if the block only as d cast on it , no good ideia put turbo .
if the block ive d/td cast on it can handle with turbo , if not pass the turbo pression of the original td engine, becouse the block that as d/td ive oil squirts for cooling pistons and rods . my as cast exactly the same as original td aaz 1.9td.

to make the conversion i only need original pump from td with lda or put lda in my pump , exaust colectors with gt 15 , kkk24 etc , but il dificult , il put a vnt 15 from gttdi 110hp.
its more dificult to put this one becouse it its change geometry. but it can be adapt to pression or vacuo .
admission colectors people put on tdis what ive in my engine , becouse it ive the best flow .
dril a hole in carter , for oil of turbo return , and feed the turbo , from oil filter.
for cooling problems , il add ic from gttdi , and a oil radiater .
and i think its about it ..

my main hurry it is compression ratio , but since its the same in this two engines , no problem in this point too.

that guy in wv folks , put this car with almost 200 hp without ic and oil radiater !

what did you thing?

thanks in advance

opinions keep it coming .
 

pgarner

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200bhp im sorry cant see that without the IC and the bigger turbos and a very optimistic rolling road.

concindering the gttdi 150 models (thoses with VNT17s) need some work to get a real 200bhp i cant see the old non turbo which uses makes use of old diesel injection - low pump pressures - making big power.

my issue would still be reliability 68 bhp up to 200, your talking nearly 3 times the power. even if the block can take the extra pressure what about the gearbox ?
 

ibizz

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that 200 hp car as the turbo from seat leon 170 hp
lots of fuel to burn .
gear box is the same in d and td model
about the clutch , i dont know if it can handle .. without some work .
the gttdi im talking about is seat ibiza gttdi 90 hp and 110 hp
 

ibizz

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for the record

theres manny tdi project in portugal with 300hp in vp and pd

portugues are very advance in diesel tunning
 
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pgarner

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the turbo from the 170 leon is the same turbo as in the 150bhp varients.

you must have different models altogeather over there as the GTTDI wasnt avalible in the 90 and they had 6psd gearboxes


is that 300bhp using diesel alone ? ive only heard of figures around that, from the 1.9 engine, by using the likes of propane and nitrous along with the diesel, race PD nozzels and the 2260 turbo from the 3.0 turbo audi Q7 think its also used in the 330d BMs as well
 

ibizz

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there are some 1.9 tdi diesels here touching that figures without nitrous.
race nozzles , big turbo , hard repro along with big intercooler and athor stuff

theres people passing that figures using nitrous too.
here people are exploring diesel potencial to limits.
 

pgarner

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thats alot of work and must be from a PD engine already.

as said best ive heard running diesel alone was by using the turbo from the 3.0 diesel engine and that with alot of time mapping only got 261
 

ibizz

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look mate , diesel machines with 3xx hp
and with 4xx hp

litle of portuguese diesel tunning ..

its fun to see cheap machines like this , passing bye ferraris , corvetes and manny others caled supercars .:D

like i said before , its possible touch that figures ..
if you dont try ... you il never know ..

understend ?

and that project arent the strongest ones ....
 
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pgarner

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sorry but i dont see any proof to back ether of those videos up that up other than a blue screen with 3xxhp written on it. so is it 301bhp at the fly or 399bhp
what proof i do have was they were pumping out alot of black smoke

im sure you can agree with me on these points, however if you have a video showing a dyno or even a link to a print out that can be shown to be the same car then yes

i deleted the second one as it was a street race and as such in breach or T&C of the site. however the speed that was shown isnt that hard to achieve, mines is only several mph short of that standard
 

ibizz

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i already see dyno from that 2 cars

il show you now 1 of a sdi like my engine but with electric pump , mine is mecanic

http://www.ibizaclubpt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67462

tell me if you can see the dyno from that sdi in one forum that im member

no its only for registered people
i can copy dyno from forum page

dumm question
how to do a print screen.? , i never learn that right

from the clip i know the drivers , and i know that all they say isnt true , but i can tell you for shure that are 1.9 tdi here puting 300 hp in dyno


im trying to copy a dino from a recent project a seat ibiza 6k2 with 1.9sdi engine
sdi its identical to my block , but my pump its mecanic and sdi ones are already electric .
lets say its tdi without turbo , its direct injection
puting 191 kw in dyno test , how manny hp is that ?
but that engine as very work on it , but its only in stage one , says owner
 
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ibizz

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thats the dyno from sdi engine with turbo !
sdi from origin as 64 hp , to 2xx hp

litle block like myne , only diference is electric pump
 
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pgarner

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how much work does that have on it, as i have said the 1.9 engines over hear stuggle to get that sort of power, mainly because of the amount of smoke it makes but they also need hell of a big turbos

whats the owner saying is done to it then ?
 

ibizz

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he puts big turbo , worked pump , lots of diesel available that why some cars do very smoke , but isnt the case of this project , no smoke .big noozles
for shure big ic , oil radiateur , may be forged pistons and rods ..
il ask to the owner if he tell what is done in car .
maping too
but you can figure , this project as based on a 64 hp engine, look that lines.
imagine the pd ones with same or almost the same material and more..
 

ibizz

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thanks

dont help ..

its more out there than factory specs..
i guess im looking in wrong place to get help and opinions , since must of you dont play with "litle" engines... lost lots of fun ..
seing litle blocks playing with caled torque cars ..
 

ibizz

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i say i dont get ani help from this site

since you guys to play with small engines and almost dont change factory specs
if some says that impossible to tune small block for big power ...
so i show dyno of 1 sdi engine with 64 hp st puts out 270 hp ...

so i think im not in right place
since there no help to my questions , only doubts...
this site is only for factory torque machines ? no one here transforms comercial cars in torque cars ?
i guess .. if dont know diesel block puts more than 260 hp ...

so you guys ive of fun with , factory torque cars
here guys play with torque cars , with litle engines like 1.9tdi with more than 300 hp .
i think you guys dont know what that is .... since you ownes only big engines that dont puts out half of real power output
 

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There is a wide variety of cars on this site as well as everyone being spread across the globe.
Alot of our members do live in the UK like me and to be honest I don't know much about the engine your talking about but someone else will prob be able to help you when and if they come across this thread.;)
 

ibizz

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ok i understend !

that a fact too manny cars and engines

1y engine apears in seat ibiza , corboda , inca , vw golf , cady and manny others models
very knon in europe
its identical to aaz one exept dont ive turbo and lda in pump

thanks
 

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OOOOH hand bags out.

The reason why your not getting any helpfull advise, is because there is non for what you are trying to do. The boys on this site know what they are talking about. This is not a boy racer site where everyone thinks adding a cone will give the car 1000000 more HP. This is a site full of real people, who have real experiance with cars. You want to be told to fit a 2 BAR turbo to a 1L small block, and everyone rave about it then fine. Do it. Then watch your engine, pistons, cooling system, exhaust, cam shaft, cylinder explode.

I'll be the first to admit i don't know the most about cars. That is why I USE this site, then confirm with my mate who is a mechanic, and 99 times out of 100 the boys and girls on this site are correct.

Experiance is far greater than ''my mate told me you can do this''.

Hope you find what you are looking for.
 

ibizz

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i already found ! not in this site for shure ...
i found it in caddy and brickwerk , with people that puts his hands in oil ... not put car in mecanic and say do this do that ... that very easy to do .. ani one with mooney can do that .. no glory in that ..
in this site "real" experience people dont know 1y engine ... manny known in europe and worlwide. here dont know ..
and dont believe that 1 block with 64 hp standart can output 270 hp ...
so how mutch experience is that ? factory specs experience ? and even with that specs dont help nothing ..
so i left a dino from a living proof that experience can come with changes and experiences... more than playing with factory torque machines....
more fun is see comercials cheap cars passing bye big torque monsters , than cost a fortune ... thats the real fun here .

impossible ?

manny videos on youtube from portuguese projects , passing bye ferrarys , porches etc etc

only think i learn here is that you guys dont even know 1 engine very known as 1y
that came in seat , vw like ibiza , cordoba , caddy , inca , golfs and manny others ... so what experience may i get from experience people like this ?

lay your hands in oil and see what fun it is , not spending loads of mooney in mecanics..
 
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turbonutter69

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i already found ! not in this site for shure ...
i found it in caddy and brickwerk , with people that puts his hands in oil ... not put car in mecanic and say do this do that ... that very easy to do .. ani one with mooney can do that .. no glory in that ..
in this site "real" experience people dont know 1y engine ... manny known in europe and worlwide. here dont know ..
and dont believe that 1 block with 64 hp standart can output 270 hp ...
so how mutch experience is that ? factory specs experience ? and even with that specs dont help nothing ..
so i left a dino from a living proof that experience can come with changes and experiences... more than playing with factory torque machines....
more fun is see comercials cheap cars passing bye big torque monsters , than cost a fortune ... thats the real fun here .

impossible ?

manny videos on youtube from portuguese projects , passing bye ferrarys , porches etc etc

only think i learn here is that you guys dont even know 1 engine very known as 1y
that came in seat , vw like ibiza , cordoba , caddy , inca , golfs and manny others ... so what experience may i get from experience people like this ?

lay your hands in oil and see what fun it is , not spending loads of mooney in mecanics..


You don't know a single thing about the people who use this site or there vehicles.
Please do some research before you try and slate the whole forum.
If you have the info you need then why are you here?
There will be someone here that has an answer for you but your not going to get one whilst your spitting your dummy out.
 

ibizz

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real experience people , talk about real facts !

would say , its impossible becouse compression ratio is too high or pistons in not coated etc etc . facts

tell me about facts and in real mecanic , not thats impossible or il bang , and cant say why il go bang ...
 

ibizz

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im not trying to dump my dummy out here .

and im not trying to slater the hole forum...

im trying to get specs changes between aaz and 1y engines.

but far as i know , no one even know 1 engines like that ... so how experience is that ?
i joint to this forum becouse i think i get any help from real experience people and open minded ... open mind i see in 2 or 3 posts that is out of question and same as experience help with specs and tunning .
called torque cars , i think hey may be theres same guys that real known mecanic and that engines and can point me out manny diferences in this two and may be some tunning tips and advice .

sorry if i look a rude guy
thats not the intention here
 

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Like i've said already there will be someone that will be able to help you. You've just got to wait for them to see this thread.
You see we are a worldwide site so there is a wide range of knowledge floating about but you have to remember people do work and with being a worldwide site alot of people are in different time zones so some may even be in bed.
 

ibizz

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Do you actually know whats involved in turbocharging a naturally aspirated engine?


i think yes , but even if i dont know , no one here helps to point me out ....

and yes , that dyno that i left here is from a sdi , same block as mine only with elctronic pump , instead of cable pump like mine.
its 64 hp standart , now it as 270 and is running .

my block as natural aspirated , but is identical to aaz one that is td
in my block as crafted 1.9td ...
in view what changes in 2 is td as turbo kkk12 or kkk14 and lda in pump and mine doesnt ive turbo and lda .

what i as in here is if ani one knows about internal changes between them.

are you refer to forget pistons and rods ? coated ones ?

theres alot more beside that obvious stuff ...
 

ibizz

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i alraedy read that articule , and manny others ..

nothing new at that ..

thats aplys for big power gains

i only wont duplicate origin output of this engine


so from that articule 1 engine like mine cant output figures like 200 hp ? without spend a fortune ? is that ?

once again go see that dyno and tell me its impossible !
theres manny more examples here in pt

no worry , if i do it , and i can reach the figures i wont , without spending a fortune and still be a daily engine , il let you know .

but im in posicion to show you original old aspired engines , with turbo aded , running every days and touching figures like 150 , 200 and almost 300 like that sdi engine ..

so i think its more then what whe read
 

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If you labled your thread ''I would like to kill my car by putting a turbo on it'' there would be a lot more good replies. They would go along the lines of....

- Make sure your turbo manafold fits direct onto the exhaust, as a smooth outlet flow will help increase pressure from the other end, and give you more power.

- Fit a new fuel pump, walbro will do.

- Upgrade your cams to hangle the extra power

- Upgrade your pistons and rods (about £2000)

- Fit a rad, make sure you have space for this before hand, as bumper could stop the flow of air.

- Upgrade the rocker cover, anything less than £120 on a engine holding that much pressure after a turbo will not do.

ect ect.

But if you read the article, it explains all this. And the reason why people advised you not to, was because it costs £££££££. You have to be a proper lover of that car to spend so much for such little gain.

Like I said, I don't know too much about cars, but along with meeting new people and making mates, there are people on this site that have spent 30-40 years in the trade. I mean for crying out loud, there is a bloke here that is an expert on oil. Any question anwered. These are the people you need to keep on your good side, as they can be extreemly usefull and save you ££££££.

A sorry does not hurt.
 

ibizz

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hey bigbadjoe

did you see the post with the dyno from 1 sdi engine with 64 hp standart

gives 270 hp ?

its steal running and play with bigest engines

before i show it , some people says its impossible , so that dyno test proves its possible
and not spending a fortune ...

for shure a original td or tdi can handle more power than a old d engine , thats for shure .
but the real fun here is doing what you guys think impossible ...

that why in tdi , pt is king
some errors , but you try , until you get something that every one thinks its impossible

thats the real magic .

and i freq 1 forum caled ibiza.pt in there are manny proves that in some stuff manny people are wrong , and its possible turboing some d , and im talking about a specific engine , that as oil jects for cooling pistons and rods and share almost everithing with original td aaz . even if you see references of heads , pistons and other stuf it gives the same for that 2 engines ...

open mind a litle does not hurt too
 

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It's not just about reaching a desired power output, it's also about making sure the car stays reliable. You can do things as cheap as you like, but you'll be doing it more than once.
 
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