mots changing

[lutonmatt]

well get ready for a harder mot next year
the mot test is starting to come up to date at last
teh test it self has not changed since the 60's a few bits added but the main bit has not changed

but next year it will get harder for all newer cars not so if you keep your car in good nik

but any light staying on on the dash air bag trc etc is a fail
hid lights have to have a wash system and auto level
have to be fitted with cats

and many more things will list all of them when they come up with the finished list near the end of the year

but all comes into force in jan 2012

 

[obi_waynne]

Hi Lutonmatt and welcome back, have you been away?

Anything in there about stretched tyres in there? I look forward to the summary.

 

[HDi fun]

The HID lighting level and wash has been a regulation since they were first introduced. Not part of the MoT yet, but perhaps this is to slow down the influx of aftermarket kits.

 

[stamford]

Is this definate then? Have heard stories for quite a while now with little evidence to back them up. How will they test for a cat fitted if the 'cat' has the O2 sensor fitted, no MIL light lit up and the car passes its emissions?

Mine is decatted, has passed the last three MOTs, has a mil light fitted but has pre-cats in both manifolds that do the job.

SRS lights work on start up, self check then extinguish. I have fitted resistors to the thorax and seat belt circuits as I have harnesess fitted. So I should be okay?

 

[bigbadjoe]

Dam, if it is getting harder my bribe may have to go from £30 to £50 lol :bigsmile:

 

[Yugguy]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT - Issue 48 - Oct 2010.pdf

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:173:0047:0072:EN:PDF


"Other items – such as headlamp
bulb and unit incompatibility,
headlamp levelling devices and
illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need
further thought before we can get
a workable solution for MOT
stations."


One of the new rules was to fail remapped cars. Unless every mot place is going to invest in every diagnostic for every car then they'll have difficulty. My ECU also doesnt have any kind of counter so the only way you could test would be a rolling road or to download the map and compare to the original.

What I dont get is why they refer to remaps/chips as "illegal". If it is a mod you have declared to your insurer then why is it illegal?

 

[HDi fun]

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/MoT - Issue 48 - Oct 2010.pdf

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:173:0047:0072:EN:PDF


"Other items – such as headlamp
bulb and unit incompatibility,
headlamp levelling devices and
illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need
further thought before we can get
a workable solution for MOT
stations."


One of the new rules was to fail remapped cars. Unless every mot place is going to invest in every diagnostic for every car then they'll have difficulty. My ECU also doesnt have any kind of counter so the only way you could test would be a rolling road or to download the map and compare to the original.

What I dont get is why they refer to remaps/chips as "illegal". If it is a mod you have declared to your insurer then why is it illegal?

I don't think they'll fail remapped cars unless the remapping causes the emissions to be out of their correct frame. It's impossible to do so and MoT centres don't have time to interrogate every single ECU.

There are thousands of remapped cars on the roads, most of which are are very carefully maintained anyway. by very fastidious owners, so to scupper this would have a massive economic impact upon the tuning community suppliers and specialists. This is the last thing the government wants if it's after economic growth.

 

[aston]

Dam, if it is getting harder my bribe may have to go from £30 to £50 lol :bigsmile:

£80 all in down here....appparently

 

[lutonmatt]

waynne since i have started my new job i have had less time to do anything but am back and nothing about them silly tyres

hdi nothing on the mot we can fail hid's on yet but thats hope it will cut down teh use if the kits but for the mot you only have to take the hids out and fit normal bulbs in

 

[lutonmatt]

stamford is all about looking for cats i think but again will know more once the release the list and how to check them

 

[lutonmatt]

yugguy will never happen with chips so dont worry is silly stuff they said and every one worryed about it we will never be able to plug anything in to your ecu's

and anyone that takes 80 quid for a pass is a fool was reading one case where a testing station was watched over a few months 1700 tests went in every one was passed the bloke got 6 months in jail and a 60000 grand fine

 

[T9 man]

and anyone that takes 80 quid for a pass is a fool was reading one case where a testing station was watched over a few months 1700 tests went in every one was passed the bloke got 6 months in jail and a 60000 grand fine

Ouch, that's not funny! Will keep the pound notes in my wallet and just use charm instead :bigsmile:

 

[lutonmatt]

just dont come down to me in that LBD you have t9
wear the red one lol

 

[T9 man]

 

[old-git]

[QUOTE bloke got 6 months in jail and a 60000 grand fine[/QUOTE]

£60,000,000 fine, that's a bit steep

 

[obi_waynne]

imo anyone who passes a failed car on an mot deserves a big fine and time inside. There are enough dangerous cars around as it is and the mot test is the one safeguard we have in place.

 

[stamford]

MOT testers can still make mistakes and pass a car that should have failed purely by overlooking something. My Discovery passed but should have failed, lost my brakes 8 miles on leaving the testing station, pipe burst. Was on a hidden part of the run. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and let them make the repairs FOC on the understanding that publicity would ruin their business as they had only been open for a few months. If I was really nasty I could have informed VOSA but that wouldn't help them or me in this instance as no-one was hurt. Lesson learnt. However those that do dodgy MOTs are fools and will get found out, it is not worth the grief it could cause.

 

[bigbadjoe]

yugguy will never happen with chips so dont worry is silly stuff they said and every one worryed about it we will never be able to plug anything in to your ecu's

and anyone that takes 80 quid for a pass is a fool was reading one case where a testing station was watched over a few months 1700 tests went in every one was passed the bloke got 6 months in jail and a 60000 grand fine

Thats steep. My mate got a 3 year ban and a £2000 fine because some junkie put an axe through the footwell of his car after my mate passed it on an advisory. He called VOSA and said his girls foot went through it. There was no change. As it happens, he has done this twice before!!!!!! I can't beleive the court didn't take that into account when his case was up.

 

[pgarner]

stamford is all about looking for cats i think but again will know more once the release the list and how to check them

in that case an empty cat casing would pass but a normal pipe wouldnt ?

stamford you might get away with it as you still have the precat

and what happens to the pre 90 cars without cats ? or the pre (insert year) cars that had HIDs but no washers, i know audis had them without washers for a while ?

 

[stamford]

in that case an empty cat casing would pass but a normal pipe wouldnt ?

stamford you might get away with it as you still have the precat

and what happens to the pre 90 cars without cats ? or the pre (insert year) cars that had HIDs but no washers, i know audis had them without washers for a while ?

Seems daft just looking for a cat, as most decats are identical to an OE cat in size and include the lambda sensor boss. Otherwise most will just buy a scrap cat and gut the internals. Yea I'm fortunate in that the system fitted to the MG is overkill, one precat and lambda sensor per downpipe followed by another in-line cat, quite why it needed this is beyond me as before the remap it was well within the emissions and after the remap was even better!

As for HIDs I thought the headlamp reflector was the main issue on aftermarket kits as they were not compatible? Not that if affects me as I run standard units. Seen enough of these kits faulty from new.

 

[Yugguy]

I go to Rugby Vehicle testing centre for my MOTs, who I've always found to be a fair, open MOT place - they only do MOTs and never recommend a particular garage. Anyway on my last mot on the bora they said my cat was damaged but replacing it with a straight through pipe wouldn't affect my emissions. Which is weird, unless what the cat gets rid of are gases/chemicals that aren't tested for on emissions - emissions is only CO2 isnt it?

 

[HDi fun]

The reflector is the main issue, and for some time washing equipment and auto levelling has been mandatory for HID fitments.

If you want to go HID the only reliably road lawfaul way is to get the full OEM equipment from the manufacturer and replace everything. Pricey.

I'm not a great fan of HIDs anyway - I've written a couple of articles on the things a while back.

 

[lutonmatt]

MOT testers can still make mistakes and pass a car that should have failed purely by overlooking something. My Discovery passed but should have failed, lost my brakes 8 miles on leaving the testing station, pipe burst. Was on a hidden part of the run. I gave them the benefit of the doubt and let them make the repairs FOC on the understanding that publicity would ruin their business as they had only been open for a few months. If I was really nasty I could have informed VOSA but that wouldn't help them or me in this instance as no-one was hurt. Lesson learnt. However those that do dodgy MOTs are fools and will get found out, it is not worth the grief it could cause.

i am not talking of mistakes we all make them and we all miss things
and alot is how bad it is at the time of the test

 

[lutonmatt]

in that case an empty cat casing would pass but a normal pipe wouldnt ?

stamford you might get away with it as you still have the precat

and what happens to the pre 90 cars without cats ? or the pre (insert year) cars that had HIDs but no washers, i know audis had them without washers for a while ?

cat wise i dont know till they tell us near the end of the year just know its on there list

and pre 92 dont have to have cats anyway

and most hid have washers all new stuff has to

 

[Dan2587]

I dont see why cars with HIDs need headlight washers i could understand with normal lights as the dirt will stop the light coming though but HIDs are brighter so dont really need them.My car has HIDs as standard with washers but dont really seem that good to be honest still need full beem in roads without street lamps.

 

[HDi fun]

I dont see why cars with HIDs need headlight washers i could understand with normal lights as the dirt will stop the light coming though but HIDs are brighter so dont really need them.My car has HIDs as standard with washers but dont really seem that good to be honest still need full beem in roads without street lamps.

It's to do with controlling stray light. A clean lens is better than a dirty one

 

[pikey motorsports]

None of this affects me in any way, so happy days

Pre 92 dont need a CAT regardless, and i very very rarely own anything later than 92!

 

[old-git]

. Was on a hidden part of the run.

Interesting. As I understand the regs, the tester can only check what he can see and is not allowed to remove anything in order to get a better look. So if the part was hidden they can't test it and have to assume it is OK and would not be liable if it subsequently failed. I am sure LM can confirm whether this is correct or not.

 

[lutonmatt]

you are right og we can only test what we can see

you might one have one wheel nut on a wheel but if you have a trim on we cant fail it