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Lowering spring advice please.

Discussion in 'Passat' started by PetethePirate, 2 October 2013.

  1. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

    Messages:
    17
    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Hi folks,
    My Passat had been lowered on Bilstein adjustable coilovers before I bought it ..... its much too low for me and a bit too stiff , catches on humps and shakes yer fillings out etc , I tried winding it up but the springs are too short.
    Has anyone got experience of the best make of spring to use , I want a decent ride with a sensible amount of lowering. 30/40 mm ?
    Also, what are worthwhile susp/chassis mods .
    2001 Passat b5 1.8t.
    Thanks, Pete.
    Cheers
     
  2. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    From:
    Essex
    Car:
    Elan & Robin Hood
    What do you mean by too short? Are you saying that the adjustable spring seat is at the top of its adjustment?

    The springs won't rattle your fillings, it's the dampers that do that. Try a softer setting :)

    Get your posts up to 10 so you can upload some photos of the suspension setup.
     
  3. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Well Steve, any adjustment from what it is now leaves the springs loose in their seats , I left it with a chap and his ramp as I haven't got anywhere flat to do it, but that was the problem .
    Cheers, Pete.
     
  4. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Hi Steve, I think I know what hes done, the numpty, I'll be back !!
     
  5. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    I've had a look myself and the only adjustment is the spring seat, I don't know what hes done, theres adjustment left both ways , I'll have to go and see him tomorrow, I think hes been trying to adjust it the wrong way !!
    Cheers.
     
  6. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Okay just had a play and theres definitely not enough length in the springs, can't see any way around it but longer springs ??
    Cheers, Pete.
     
  7. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Quite clunky and clicky as well when turning or going slowly over humps etc
    Not very nice at all !! :sad2: and I've got man flu !!!!!:???:
     
  8. TCJBOLDIE

    TCJBOLDIE Torque King

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    From:
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    Car:
    JB Starion
    I would take it to a suspension specialist preferably a reputable one with motorsport background/experience to get spring and damper rates sorted.
     
  9. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    Car:
    Elan & Robin Hood
    Photos would be very useful :)

    Post some and I will get them through moderation even if you haven't reached 10 posts :)
     
  10. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Good thing I came across this, if I see his post in the queue OG I'll let it through for you.
     
  11. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Thanks, I'll do that tomorrow :D
     
  12. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Hi again,
    So ...... how do I post pics ?
    Cheers.
     
  13. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    The best way, that I have found, is to open a photobucket account, upload to there, then copy and paste here.

    You can upload to this site by opening a gallery, but someone else wil have to explain how to do that :)
     
  14. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    I think I may have sussed it !

    The weather has persisted here today so I haven't wanted to go out in it and take pics of the actual car ...... however , I have found a pic online that shows a setup with the same adjustment as on my car, no more and no less.
    Just the spring platform adjustment .

    Am I missing anything , no ride height adjustment ??

    Cheers, Pete.
     

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  15. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    From:
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    Car:
    Elan & Robin Hood
    On the silver dampers, is there a thread for the spring seat to move up and down on? (the spring seats have cut outs for the adjusting spanner) Any chance of a photo of the ones on the car?
     
    Last edited: 4 October 2013
  16. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    How to post photos using Photobucket andTorqueCars



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    Easy and simples



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  17. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Yes the spring seats are adjustable with the 2 rings (one to adjust and one to lock ) and the threaded portion of the shocker body . That's the only adjustment there is.
    The adjustment on mine is about halfway with just a tad of preload on the spring.
    Can't get to mine yet its raining Datsun Cogs here !
    Cheers , Pete.
     
  18. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    In that case, there is approx 50mm of thread above the adjuster? You should be able to lift the car by that amount assuming the damper doesn't reach its maximum extension.

    What do you mean by preload?
     
  19. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Ok, so by screwing the adjuster up into the spring (compressing it) I should lift the car by whatever amount ?
    I tried that by about 15mm and couldn't notice a difference, I'll try again.
    What I meant by preload was that I compressed the spring by a fraction so that it wasn't loose on its seats , taking up any slack so to speak.
    Right I'll wind the springs up tomorrow and see what happens.
    I'll keep you posted .... Thankyou :)
     
  20. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    Car:
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    Take some photos as well please.
     
  21. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Hi ,
    OK, I've adjusted the coilovers as advised, Thankyou , and all is ok , Its raised the front nicely and I got both sides equal.....ish . I've cleaned and greased all the threads and everything's looking good apart from ........as the springs are progressive, the coil frequency changes top to bottom.
    On the drivers side the coil is fitted with the closest coils downwards and the passenger side the total opposite ! I cant think of a technical reason for this but you may tell me different ? this will have to be changed at a later date.

    When I got to the rear I find that in an effort to get the car as low as poss they chucked the adjustment rings, so I have to find some, or make some shims ...... happy days,
    I have some pics but my phone wont give them up at the mo, I'll sort it asap.
    Its still a bit clunky, I'll get it on a ramp soon and have a better look.
    Back soon with pics .
    Cheers.


     
  22. old-git

    old-git Moderator

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    Whoever fitted the springs was a tad slapdash, But I doubt that it makes any difference on a road car, correct me I am wrong please.
     
  23. PetethePirate

    PetethePirate Full member

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    From:
    Wales , Dolgellau
    Car:
    2001Passat 1.8t B5
    Ay up, I'm back, sorry for the delay but I've been ill.
    My phone has eaten the pics I took so that's buggered that I'm afraid.
    Got a nasty clunk from the offside front now and then but will have a look at that soon
    Now for a daft question that may need to be posted elsewhere.
    A friend of mine has an APU engine the same as mine, it has a few mods , all the wiring, ecu etc and a bigger intercooler.
    Now ..... I am thinking of building a car for night rallying and was wondering, what small car would this engine fit, if any ? I realise that its not going to go straight in to anything without work, but as the engine is coming for very little and I'm impressed with strengths of this little lump, I'm thinking about it.
    Any thoughts ?? try not to be rude ... ha ha
     
  24. RaresC

    RaresC Newbie

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    From:
    Romania
    Car:
    Passat B7 2.0TDI
    Hi,
    I didn't read the whole topic yet but I'm responding as I go on reading :)
    I have the same issue with my Passat B7 and this crackling noise is from the upper strut mounts.
    They need to be replaced (strut mounts+bearings) with something tougher.
    For me there is a ECS Tuning kit but it's in the US. I'm trying to find a dealer over here in EU.

    Hope this helped.
     
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  25. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Torque Master

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    Did you notice the date?
     

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