Doing Up My Car, Need Help

[HDi fun]

You, my friend, have a low perception of ambitions. Easily (but not necessarily cheaply) achieved on many many 4 cylinder motors.

That's kind of what I was getting at, I think. Not many fours are engineered to stand that much torque.

It can, of course, be done, but it'll likely cost a few quid (as you say) to get everything else to stand up to the angular forces involved. Which, basically means that we agree - it's a cost thing.

 

[pgarner]

I was going to run the car how it is just now ( 110 bhp ) and fit a cold air intake, 2.5 straight through exhaust with de cat, FMIC, Upgraded clutch, hybrid turbo, then the new engine with forged pistons, 520 race injectors, performace cams then a good old custom remap.

How much would I be looking to pay then fir a 150 engine from the scrappies?prefer 50K or under. Doing to replace parts and rebore etc before shove it in anyways.


Would I have to put a 6 speed gearbox in? And I heard the driveshafts are diffrent?

was the bit in red work to be done on the 110 or the 150 ?

cost is unkown as it depends on the scrappy but il doubt youll find one with under 50k might find a couple under 100k.
not sure about the driveshafts but the 150s all came with the 6speed think most if not al the 130s were fitted with the 6 speed

your making alot of hard work for your self try looking for a 150 golf to begin with and do the work to it

anything thats on your golf already can be taken off and swapped over

 

[roryp15]

I ahve two choices now.

1. Buy a 150 bhp engine from the scrappies ( 3-400 maybe ) then get it sent down to a place downsounth to get it all reconditioned and back to a like new engine. ( £799+vat ). One its back sit the 150 engine.... would i need the 150 turbo aswell ? ( £600 ) then a remap ( 300 ) there thats about 200 bhp mark and 300+ lb/ft toruque.

2. Keep my engine and get it reconditioned ( £799+vat ) add a hybrid turbo, intercooler, injectors, remap then get about 200 bhp and 200= lb/ft torque ( apparently ).

I know option 2 will cost a lot more but at first i know engines from the scrapppies are a hit or a miss but if its getting fully reconditioned surly it wont be a problem? also how much work is involved in changing it from a 110 non PD to a 150 PD??

 

[pgarner]

option 1 yes you need the turbo theres a big difference between them
option 2 you should see alot more than 200ftlb especially with a hybrid

 

[roryp15]

sorry ment 300 lb/ft.


So if i go for option 1.

Hunt the scrappies and pick up a 150 engine with low or as low as i can get miles on it. Send it to a company down south that ive eben e-mailing.

Get them to recondition it ( take back to a like new engine ) then fit a 150 turbo then get it mapped should be seeing 200 break and 300 lb/ft.

Would i just go to the scrappies and ask for an engine to a 1.9 tdi 150 bhp? is that all do i need to ask for cylinder head or anything else or does it all come under engine.

Also what about ECU? will my one accept the new engine?

 

[pgarner]

nope youll need the ECU and i think, not not 100%, you might need the SDK (need to double check) code off the instrument cluster. youll definitely need your instrument clocks codes for the immobiliser within the new ECU.

youll need someone to help fit it or buy VCDS (used to be called vagcom) free but the cable is around £200 ~ cheap knock off cables no longer work as the athorisation code is written into the module ~ to write the new code to the cluster
vag tacho to read the code from the ECU think this is around £50

 

[HDi fun]

What about a 2.5 V6 TDi unit?

 

[roryp15]

can i put the 2.5 V6 TDi unit straight in. Well you know get from scrap yard, get all the recondition im getting done ( to what ever engine i get just to make it like new and more piece of mind aswell ). What about if for any reason i cant get the ECU? can i not buy one then somehow get it to work. Sorry i dont know anything atol about all this stuff.

So what do i ask for at the scrappies,

a 1.9 tdi 150 bhp engine and ecu

2.5 v6 tdi ??? bhp engine and ecu

would the extra 2 cylinders not matter cause its only 4 cylinders just now or will it be ok as im replacing the engine.

Oh and anohter stupid question i take it the engine is the whole engine block, clyinderhead etc?

Also can all the hoses and pipework be reconnected to the new engine?

 

[pgarner]

not sure if the 2.5 will fit in easy depends if you want a challange.
2.5 was in 150 -180 bhp variants depending on age

you need a 150 ECU for it to work properly a 130 might work to an extent but not sure. doesnt matter if it was the one for the engine as long as the ECU and instrument cluster immobiliser match up.

as for pipework youll find out when you try it.
i know the intake pipework is different due to the 150 running a frontmount intercooler

when you get hte engine it should be the whole engine, you might not get manifolds or turbo however.

 

[HDi fun]

The 2.5 was a very long shot. In reality it probably won''t fit, but then VAG managed to cram it under the bonnet of the A4.

THe later ones had the PD fuel system, hence the higher BHP rating. They're good engines though, silky smooth compared to the 4's. All VAG 4 cyl diesels are a bit coarse in my opinion, strangely the earlier TDi 110 was slightly more refined than any of the PD fours, but it was quite light on that magic diesel feature ie. TORQUE.

 

[roryp15]

well would it be easyier just putting the 1.9 150 in then? cause i could end up with a 2.5 V6 still 150 bhp or ever and extra 30 bhp but then the hassle of fitting it in if it doesnt go straight in ect.

How easy is it to fit the 150? i wont be doing it my self but do you take of pipework, hoses and what ever else then take the engine out, put the 150 one in reconnect hoses? what do i do witht he ones that dont fit ?

so i need the ECU from the car the 150 came out of ? and whats the instrument cluster immobiliser ? where do i get that?

 

[HDi fun]

This is one hell of a project. Finding a donor car with the PD150 1.9 is the devil's own job.

Good luck!

 

[roryp15]

why would it be so hard to find?

ive got a quote for £1400 for a reconditioned one but then i wouldnt ahve the ECU etc.

 

[HDi fun]

The reason I've mentioned this is that very few PD150s were sold anyway. The ECU is possibly the same as the PD 100, 115, 130 etc. but you'll need the correct code and control parameters for the PD150.

The code is likely to be copyrighted by VAG so you'll have to find a legal source for this.

The re-con engine (what's happened to it that it needed a full rebuild anyway) will almost certainly not include pipes and ducting. You'll also need to find a suitable turbocharger.

I know you're mad keen on modifying your car but you might well do better to buy a PD150 GTi Golf and then simply let the re-map specialists get to work on it.

 

[roryp15]

yeah ive thought about new cars, thought bout evos, subarus, type R, celica GT4, BMW. Considered the lot, was close to buyign an evo 2 with 330 bhp the other month but my car is running better tha ever and i love the thing to bits so decided to keep it and just do the work to it.

Like i sayed before if i keep the 110 engine some else managed to get 200 bhp and sayed to get this you need

front mounted intercooler
520 race injectors
hybrid turbo or 17/22 turbo
custom remap
bottom turbo bracket
red turbo pipe
pancake pipe

what are the last 3 ?

Apparently that should be seeing 200 bhp+ and 300lb/ft+.

Would i need to upgrade the internals, eg forged pistons etc or would there be no need to?


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[pgarner]

the 2.5 was fitted longitudinal in the A4 rather than transverse.

the instrument clocks are the what you stare out day in day out. tacho, speedo, coolant temp, fuel, and all the warning lights

turbo bracket im not sure about unless it was for the aftermarket one.
turbo pipe im guessing is the intake pipe from the airbox to the turbo
pancake pipe is the lower pipe from the side mount intercooler - so called because its been crushed

 

[pgarner]

Hdis right there people in the mk4s site trying to hunt down at pd150 without any luck.

anything youve done to your car can be removed and put straight onto the new car - youve not done any engine work.

just seems your wanting to spend a hell of a money and not realy sure about what your wanting to do.

200bhp with one 240bhp with another. you really need to tie down yourself to one or the other. both have pros and cons.

you say your cars running great now. then try and sell it you might be able to get a bit more for it.

 

[pgarner]

Hdis right there people in the mk4s site trying to hunt down at pd150 without any luck.

anything youve done to your car can be removed and put straight onto the new car - youve not done any engine work.

just seems your wanting to spend a hell of a money and not realy sure about what your wanting to do.

200bhp with one 240bhp with another. you really need to tie down yourself to one or the other. both have pros and cons.

you say your cars running great now. then try and sell it you might be able to get a bit more for it.

 

[roryp15]

im surprised you guys are still putting up with me, haha.

Right, ive always liked driving fast ( in a suitable place ) so i like a fair bit of power. My golf current is fairly quick but with only 110 bhp and 1?? lb/ft of torque it isnt as quick as i would like it. Ive always had the fiqure of 200 bhp in my head and feel that aslong as i get my car over the 200 bhp and over the 300 lb/ft mark, ill be happy.

Ive got about 7 quotes back for 150 engines ranging from 750-1400. I think ill get my current engin reconditioned as i wont have to worry about getting ECU's, codes, diffrent pipework etc.

I was reading a post that someone got a gt tdi 110 over the 200 bhp with the mods i listed earlyier : fmic, hybrid turbo, injectors, custom remap.

Im not too sure how much exactly this would cost. A mate got a fmic for his escort cossy for bout 400. Hybrid turbos i know can be expensive and not too sure bout injectors.

Im still wanting to keep the same car.

 

[pgarner]

hybridising my turbo costs around £850 however the turbo needs to be in good condition, no cracks - even hairline - in the housing. not sure if yours is like the 130 and 150 and VNT turbo rather than fixed vanes.

custom remap your probably looking around £600

front mount - can pick up a ebay special for £100 then you need the pipework say another £80. or you can buy the proper ones, such as forge at nearly £600

unit injectors (PD ones) for the 130 and 150 engines cost 460 Euros for the set of 4 so say around £400

 

[roryp15]

my turbo is about 5000 miles old.

Spoke to a guy who got a stage 2 turbo ( is that the same as hybrid ) bought it for 1000 and put it on his skoda fabia 130 PD and it had a stage 2 turbo and a remap and was running 1.9 bar of boost. Is that alot? Id prefer to pay the extra 150 for a new turbo.

Would i need a forge intercooler ? can i not just get a front mount ? or semi decent one or is it the full forged line i need to go down?

whats the diffrence between 520 race injectors and the 130/150 PD ones?

Do you think i would have to upgrade any interals aswell with running this much power out an engine which is only supposed to produce 110 bhp.

 

[pgarner]

stages dont mean a thing mate.. could mean its a hybrid.

intercooler no as long as you get a semi decent one of ebay you should be fine. the forge one comes with all the pipework and modified crash bar. means your just hacking the front bumper rather than the crashbar yourself, then the bumper and then trying to work out all the pipework. really i just put it up to show you the difference in prices.

i only put up the price as i had it to hand not sure how much the 520 injectors would cost you


quick google turned up the tdi club
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=2558146

bout halfway down it shows the 130 tdi injectors as supposed to be 520cc and the 150 as 550cc

 

[roryp15]

So is the forge intercooler one of the dearest? So could I be expecting to pay anywere between 300-600?

Does that mean 150 injectors are bigger than 520race ones?

Where can I pick up injectors from?

Wohldi need to upgrade pistons, rings, conrods etc aswell or should standard internals hold up?

 

[pgarner]

the forge isnt the dearest there are ones that are alot more dearer than that

not sure why the 520cc are being classed as race tbh 1000+cc to me would mean race. the 150 ones should be enough for your 200 as remapped they give over 200 on some maps.

internet, dealers, motor factors etc

not sure mate

 

[roryp15]

So the 150 injectors should be fine for seeing atleat 200 bhp ? and over 300 lb/ft torque.

How much extra power can you expect from a hybrid turbo ?

So whats the best option to go with for the FMIC?

Also i know i should of thought about this first but if im looking to put an extra 90+ bhp and not sure where torque is standard but say an extra 150 lb/ft of toruque, can i end up blowing my engine ? how do i prevent this ?

 

[HDi fun]

So the 150 injectors should be fine for seeing atleat 200 bhp ? and over 300 lb/ft torque.

How much extra power can you expect from a hybrid turbo ?

So whats the best option to go with for the FMIC?

Also i know i should of thought about this first but if im looking to put an extra 90+ bhp and not sure where torque is standard but say an extra 150 lb/ft of toruque, can i end up blowing my engine ? how do i prevent this ?

300lbft will be fine if you are sensible when the engine is cold and keep your servicing up to date.

 

[roryp15]

So after i got all the information i need thanks to everyone especially Pgarner and HDi fun i know what my route is going to be.

Im going to get a fully recon ASV engine. I may upgrade some internals depending on price or i may leave it how it is.

decent air intake

R32 bodykit

OLD r32 style exhaust but insted of one pipe either side im going to get 2 so for pipes in total and that will be de-catted and straight back to the turbo.

Front mounted intercooler

550cc injectors

hybrid turbo

custom remap

maybe a shot of nitrous. Was looking into 50-100 hp shot. Not to use alot just for VERY rare use.

Hopefully with that, without the nitrous engagged i will be seeing 200+ bhp and 300+ lb/ft toruque HOPEFULLY

 

[pgarner]

me being picky mate. dump the r32 kit it its been done to death along with the anni style kits. take it youve been over on the ukmkiv site ? just about every one on theres like get a r32 bodykit on it, lower it and fit a milltek. alot are knowledgeable but most seem to want every car to look the exact same. similar over on the seatcupra everyone says make it look like LCR

try having a look at
Caractere

or
oettinger

 

[roryp15]

Not 100% sure what I'm going to do with the bodykit. Going to go with the power mods first.

Would increasing the power by this much not #!#!#!#!#!#! the car up as it's done 11600 miles and not wanting anything to blow up or anything to go wrong.

I'm adding hybrid turbo, 150 injectors, intercooler and a custom remap.

 

[turbonutter69]

As long as the services etc are up to date and you let it warm up properly before booting it and also let it idle for a few minutes before switching off you should have no problems.

 

[roryp15]

Well I'm going to get it serviced before I do anything.

The reason I'm worried as a pal that likes his fast cars and he sayed the car is been build to produce 110 bhp and say I take it to 200 bhp that's putting an extra 90 bhp strain on the engine which it won't like one bit and could end up blowing something.

 

[pgarner]

when you go to get the work done make sure you speak to a VAG specialist they will know the limits of the bottom end.ie the 1.8t engine in, its basic 150bhp, can handle more than double that. not sure onthe diesels. i doubt any decent tuners would allow you to put down too much without warning you. at the very minimum this means they arnt liable if you tell them to do the work and it goes bang 100 mtrs down the road

 

[roryp15]

Im not wanting to do all the work if im going to try down the road and the engines going to blow. The turbo has allready blowen ( was a blocked oil feed pipe ) and blew when overboosted ( remap ) but im not wanting anything else to blow now that its running fine. Would it be the bottom end of the engine that would blow ? what parts is that ?

 

[pgarner]

could end up with a rod coming through the engine

this is actually a 3.2 engine from a R32 golf not a 1.9

might be worthwhile speaking to the likes of jabbasport, JBS auto or Awesome Gti to see what they say the blocks capible of