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Hi guys....I have a Peugeot 205 1.6 Auto not a GTI, I have been told its the same engine as a 1.6 GTI by some suppliers and a different one by others so help or advice here would be great.

Also the auto choke on mine doesn't work properly and to be honest I think this carb is choking what bit of performance there is.

I have done a bit of research and I have found that I can upgrade to twin carbs either the Dellorto DHLA 40 or weber dcoe 40 or 45. Does anyone have any thoughts, does anyone know the advantage or disadvantage of either?

Am also looking for a stainless manifold for it as the existing one just looks naff.

Cheers :bigsmile:
 
the non gti engine is a different engine my friend,

it is still a 1.6 8v same as the gti but it is based on a different block which is lighter but not as stong, the GTI is an XU the non gti like yours is a TU,

40 mm carbs would be preferable on that size engine, but word of warning that the intake manifold is at the back of the head rather than the front so you may have difficulty fitting them, have a look at saxo VTR's (not the VTS as they are 16v the VTR is 8v and is a similar engine) and see how much room they have for ITB's or carbs, the manifolds may even fit.
 
Now I am really confused, I thought to be on the safe side I would contact Peugeot to be 100 % sure this morning before I read any replies and from the reg no they tell me the engine in my 205 is an XU51C..............does anyone know how to identify it at all? is it contained in the engine no? or marked anywhere on the block?

Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
Easy way to tell is, if the engine is canted over towards the rear of the engine bay then it's an XU if it isn't then it's a TU,

I would have thought it would be a TU but I could be wrong then...
 
Lovely many thanks for you help its canted back towards the bulk head that makes it a little easier, maybe that why some suppliers where saying it was the same engine and others that it wasn't.......I am off work tomorrow so I plan to get under it and see how much room there is and finally make a decision on which carbs to fit.

Anyone have any experience with changing these over or even if it is possible at all?

Cheers :lol:
 
Oh maybe on a GTI but mine has a carb on it, as I had it apart to clean it and investigate the auto choke when I first bought the car. A single feeding 4 cylinders.
 
A pair of Weber DCOEs might be hard to accomodate, space wise. The 1.6 engine is relatively small as well and you don't want to have 4 huge throttle bodies because the fuel atomization will be compomised at low engine speeds.

You could simply overhaul the existing carb and fit a manual choke conversion kit. It's a cheap option, if not the best.
 
Sorry mate look like what? Have double checked again today its canted over with a single weber on the front of the head :D

Been on the Weber web site today too and come up with the following:-
1580cc 1986 on Auto 205 tr 1531079900 36 TLC O.E. 267.25

So its a factory fit not something someone has cobbled together afterwards.
 
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AH sorry i didn't post the link, DOH!

So yes a couple of twin 40's would fit on there really nicely, the intake manifold is easily avaliable and so are the carbs, but it will cost a fair bit.
 
Have done more research and had a lenghty conversation with Dellorto and have decided to go with the Dellorto conversion, I have experience of these having had a 2.2 Lotus with twin Dellorto's. Overall yes I agree it might be pricey but the carb thats on it is on its last legs (even though its only done 58k) once you take the cost of a refurb or replacement off the kit only works out another couple hundred quid.

Again speaking to Dellorto they claim it will see upto a 25% (I think optimistic but we will see) increase in performance with minimal impact on fuel consumption. Which to be honest isnt that good it only does 29-32 mpg anyway.

I do 600 mostly motorway miles per week in the car so need it to be reliable and have a bit of poke which this will provide.

I am still open to ideas though guys if anyone can think of something else!!
 
It's probably the best way to go really, plus it will sound awesome.

SS exhaust as well maybe?

But one thing you have to question though, 600 miles per week is quite a lot of miles to do. May you consider getting another car?
 
Yep gonna go the whole hog I think the existing manifold is grotty and put a full S/s system on it manifold as well, my intention is to buy another car and use this for pottering around and tinkering with. I had a rare Range Rover as well which was my everyday transport but I was made an offer I couldn't refuse at the time, hence my purchase of the Pug just to get around in until I buy something else, but it has wormed its way in with its great handling and the smiles per gallon entertainment it provides.

One of my colleagues has recommended a 306 1.9 TD not sure any thoughts?

I had never had Pugs before but so far in the short time I have had it I am impressed.....:lol:
 
They're good cars mechanically. But if you're covering 100's of miles per week you might prefer to have something more comfortable, quicker and quieter than a 205.

Not to mention crash worthiness. 205s are almost as bad as Renault 5s in terms of crash safety.

The bigger Pugs are very strong indeed.

Yep gonna go the whole hog I think the existing manifold is grotty and put a full S/s system on it manifold as well, my intention is to buy another car and use this for pottering around and tinkering with. I had a rare Range Rover as well which was my everyday transport but I was made an offer I couldn't refuse at the time, hence my purchase of the Pug just to get around in until I buy something else, but it has wormed its way in with its great handling and the smiles per gallon entertainment it provides.

One of my colleagues has recommended a 306 1.9 TD not sure any thoughts?

I had never had Pugs before but so far in the short time I have had it I am impressed.....:lol:
 
Well sir, I own a 306 1.9TD and it's rather good, highly recommended,

Finding a good one is becoming even harder to find, but it's worth a look, the engines are stronger, they handle well and they respond well to a tweak here and there.....

So yes, you should get one, you won't regret it :)
 
Have done more research and had a lenghty conversation with Dellorto and have decided to go with the Dellorto conversion, I have experience of these having had a 2.2 Lotus with twin Dellorto's. Overall yes I agree it might be pricey but the carb thats on it is on its last legs (even though its only done 58k) once you take the cost of a refurb or replacement off the kit only works out another couple hundred quid.

Again speaking to Dellorto they claim it will see upto a 25% (I think optimistic but we will see) increase in performance with minimal impact on fuel consumption. Which to be honest isnt that good it only does 29-32 mpg anyway.

I do 600 mostly motorway miles per week in the car so need it to be reliable and have a bit of poke which this will provide.

I am still open to ideas though guys if anyone can think of something else!!
Hi, can you please inform me, what DellOrto did you buy and where did you buy it?

I am looking to replace my Weber 36 TLC too, as I have a 205 1.6 Automatique with the same problem. The carb is worn, the auto-choke and sensoring works but the carburetor body is gone, unfortunately :(

So I am very curious, which one did you find ?!

Cheers
 
Hi there

Just out of interest how many miles has your done?

I bought twin delortto's from http://www.dellorto.co.uk dhla 40's with manifolds etc......they do make a fairly significant improvement to performance with a very minimal impact on economy......have just been on E-bay have a look at item number 280617332563 that is exactly the set up I bought but I paid more than that for it, you will need to get them re-jetted but that is a minimal cost.

The conversion itself was a doddle to be honest, started about 8 on the sat morning and where finished and cleaned up by 2. My dad is a trained mechanical engineer though and was able to set them up properly with an old piece of hosepipe, if you don't have the experience to do that, set them up roughly and take it to a rolling road specialist who will do it for you for not very many pennies.

If you choose to go down this route and need any help or advice drop me a line. The delortto conversion is slightly more expensive than the weber but they in my opinion are a better carb and are much more adjustable to get it running the best that it can.

Good luck :lol:
 
Hiya,

I drive a Pug 205 1.6 Automatique, it drove 115.000 km (70000 miles?) now with the same carb. It has a Weber 36 TLC mounted, so it's exactely the same configuration as your car (was).

As I mentioned before the carb-body has been worn out because of all the short distances the previous owner drove with it.

So I am looking to replace the carb, the twin dhla 40 looks decent enough. The only issue I foresee is the manifold and adapters, as there are very very few carburetor specialists here in Holland.

Thanks for the info, I will write them an email and ask if they can provide manifolds and adapters.

Cheers
 
The kit on Ebay no 280617332563 contains everything you would need to convert your car.......getting parts to do the work is very easy there are lots of suppliers here in the UK who will ship overseas.

If you do need any help drop me a line and I will see what I can do to help.

:lol::cheesy:;)
 
Great link, thanks for all the help so far.

The eBay auction has ended, unfortunately, but it gives me a good idea of the configuration. A mr. Cooper from Eurocarb advised me this one:

http://www.dellorto.co.uk/Merchandi...sp?PartNo=19230&CategoryID=1&PartsectionID=10

And I've received an email from a carparts dealer here in holland that he has a 2nd hand Weber 36 TLC. I think that will be my first option.

About the setup with the manifold and DCOE/DHLA, which will take less space? Because I feel the twin carbs need much more space than the 36 TLC does.
 
So the second hand carbs are not working out very well.

I am thinking of changing to a new Weber or DellOrto. The thing is, I want to make it a more fuel economic car. The idea I am having is to change only the carb and not the manifold, using a single carb not a twin setup.

Any ideas about this? Why should I start with a twin setup?
 
I bought two DHLA 40 carburetors. Have yet to buy a manifold, jets and a linkage set to complete the setup.

I still don't know why I should use a twin-carb setup, outside the fact that I can't find manifolds for a single carb setup.

Also I noticed some water near the roof right above the windshield. A mechanic repaired my antenna but I think the leak might originate from the sun roof. More things to fix ;)
 
Sorry to resurrect such an old thread! But im looking at doing the same as above. Ive got myself a set of Dellorto twin 40s and an intake to fit onto my 1.6 auto Xu engine.
Did anyone finish the conversion? If so, how did you sort the issue of the coolant outlets under the intake? When the weber tlc 36 is fitted, the outlets go directly into the intake. When fitting the intake for the twins, the coolant outlets are just covered but not properly blanked off. Wondering if this will cause a leak when its all up and running!
 
Good question and not something I know about as I have never played with these, hopefully someone will spot your question and offer some pointers.

I would have assumed you would need to blank these off to avoid a leak as the coolant is under pressure.

Did you mount the twin 40's on a plate or directly on the intake? Is the intake from a different model?
 

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