Cadence Braking

[aswearing]

im sure at one point we have all driven cars without abs, and im sure many of us have locked the brakes!

how many of you actually use cadence braking when faced with an emergency situation which calls you to stop abruptly?

it has happened many a time to me and i is always the last thing on my mind!

 

[Cisco26uk]

I did when I drove my mk1 escy up the back of an audi A4, stopped the police figuring out how fast I was going :wink:

 

[obi_waynne]

As with all driving techniques you need to make it a habit. When you do a practice emergency stop make sure you perfect the technique.

When braking I always use a lot of pressure and then ease off as the car stops to avoid the jolt as the car stops!

 

[aswearing]

when learning to drive, the car i was in had abs.

so i never got to try the technique out, i was only told hard soft hard soft.

maybe if i drive around schools i could practice

 

[Stiggy]

when i had my escort i nearly went up the back of a van and up the back of a police car :shock: but lucky their was no accident both times, but i locked up on both occasions but going hard soft hard soft on the brake pedal was no wear near my mind at that point, but the again i dont suppose that metod really works that well on ice

 

[DAZ06]

on ice your best bet is engine breaking and in thick snow you actualy want to
plough it so cadence breaking stops youre abs kicking in in my experience

but youlearn to love the diff lock in the truck in snow

 

[aswearing]

my car was clever, it used engine braking as when i stomped on my brake pedal my dash went up light blackpool illuminations before cutting out.

and not having time to put my clutch in....you can imagine

 

[obi_waynne]

On holiday we hired a Megane with Brake assist which basically slammed the ancors on when you made a rapid movement on the brake pedal (which is how I always sart). It took ages to get used to this feature - i'll just stick with ABS - on a bend the only thing that will help you stop and keep control is ABS!

On Snow ABS can be a real pain - in rally cars I've heard that they turn it off altogether on Snow and ice!

 

[zoozer]

always use cadence braking in winter

Here in Finland at winter time if your winter tyres arent brand new and you dirve an older car with no abs (like my old vauxahall astra) cadence braking is a must. There has been a couple of close calls, like driving out of the road at 60mph. In my opinion the engine braking, atleast on FWD cars is not too good as it locks the tyres on very slippery surfaces...

 

[HDi fun]

Cadence braking works fine if you practise incessantly.

However, Try getting your foot off that pedal when you panic.

You can't. That's why we have ABS.

Brake assist is an odd thing. My car has it but it can catch you out if you brake too suddenly but not especially hard. You soon adapt, although I'd like the option to turn this off via a key switch as it's only there for drivers who fail to brake hard and soon enough in an emergency.

 

[Colaboy]

A couple of things learnt from fifteen years of rallying.
Cadence braking and heel/ toe gear changes are definately your friend.
If you practice it and perfect it it will become second nature.

 

[HDi fun]

That's the problem though - I haven't fifteen years rallying experience.

Heel 'n' toe is not ideal in some cars especially with the EDC15/16 ECu's as this can bring up fault codes.

I agree though, if you have the skills perfected (like I haven't) then you can achieve a level of handling balance impossible by any other mechanism.

That's how guys such as you can get cars into theatrical four wheel drifts at speeds I'd never dream of.

Cheers,

P.

 

[Stiggy]

ahhh heel/toe methods im really intrested in those methods to make the car go quicker, any chances we could have a small topic on heel/toeing methods on the main site or is their already one their and im to blind to see it

 

[obi_waynne]

OK - I was thinking something along these lines myself. I'll start a topic here - see what feedback we get and then write an article in the main site!

 

[Stiggy]

thats cool, once we have a small topic i'll have to go somewear to practice it, their no point doing that on the normal roads and theirs a bigger risk involved

 

[Colaboy]

Hi HDI Fun.
You don't need 15 years experience, just have a go.

Find a quiet bit of road you are comfortable with (and safe on) and give it a whirl.
One thing to think about. Not all cars are suitable for this due to the spacing of the pedals. This is where those Chavy drilled pedals come into their own. You can space the pedals to exactly fit your feet and driving style. Not bad for £10 eh? Just make sure your shoes are dry otherwise those pedals can be a nightmare.

Cheers.
Colaboy

 

[obi_waynne]

And don't spray them with dash board silicone either! :shock:

 

[aswearing]

like my new car has.

its everywhere

cant escape it.

i hate it.

 

[Rudders666]

Just TRY stopping..

Has anyone ever had a bash at stopping in anything less than perfect weather in a Citroen AX? Holy S**t! Difficult is not the word, Impossible however, most definitely is the word. I had many a bump in that little thing (no pun intended) although it never let me down when it came to starting.

Summation: Great starter car, crap wheels/tyres (like a bicycle)

 

[p4paco]

i have used Cadence braking (if it means pumping the brake)
in emergency situations seveal times. seemsto happen to mea lot in autum when the wet leaves come out to play Black ice.

but for high speed braking, i noticed that if i load up the front suspension gently but quickly with the weight, then i can brake alot harder before losing traction.
i learned that technique from my time with Motorbikes.
but on a car, you do need good brakes that wont go buttery, from 90 to stop.

8) testing the brakes is the first thing i do when i get a new car.
but i have to wait till night time to test the high speed braking.

At the moment, i'm teaching myself to let go of the brake for a split second to tap the accelerator, before releasing the clutch in a lower gear, and back on the brakes. i dont think i'm articulate enough to Heel&Toe :?
& i dont want to uneceessarily strain my drivetrain.

 

[obi_waynne]

i have used Cadence braking (if it means pumping the brake)
in emergency situations seveal times. seemsto happen to mea lot in autum when the wet leaves come out to play Black ice.

but for high speed braking, i noticed that if i load up the front suspension gently but quickly with the weight, then i can brake alot harder before losing traction.
i learned that technique from my time with Motorbikes.
but on a car, you do need good brakes that wont go buttery, from 90 to stop.

8) testing the brakes is the first thing i do when i get a new car.
but i have to wait till night time to test the high speed braking.

At the moment, i'm teaching myself to let go of the brake for a split second to tap the accelerator, before releasing the clutch in a lower gear, and back on the brakes. i dont think i'm articulate enough to Heel&Toe :?
& i dont want to uneceessarily strain my drivetrain.

Keep practicing, in some cars you have to toe and heel!