Rochdale death crash youth boasted of 142mph M62 drive

[T9 man]

What a prized top class A1 fool that lad is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-32919460

 

[HDi fun]

That is terrifying to see. I doubt he'll serve all six years. Nor should he, I suspect he's paid many times over in remorse and fear of prison already.

Prison should be reserved for people who are dangerous to the public and he's not dangerous without access to a motor vehicle so I think a lifetime driving ban should be applied.

The only problem is that he was driving without a license anyway, so how to we proceed in these circumstances.

How the hell did he manage to hire a car in the first place?

 

[TCJBOLDIE]

The problem is that he has little regard for the law and almost certainly will continue to flout it when released.

To quote Dr Phil "the best pointer to future behavior is past behavior"

 

[Guybo]

I hope he gets all 6 years. He may not be dangerous, He may regret what he did but he still should pay the price. Plus the family of the person killed probably thinks that 6 years is not enough time.

Doing over 140 isnt what caused the crash it was doing 80 on residential streets.

 

[HDi fun]

I hope he gets all 6 years. He may not be dangerous, He may regret what he did but he still should pay the price. Plus the family of the person killed probably thinks that 6 years is not enough time.

Doing over 140 isnt what caused the crash it was doing 80 on residential streets.

I know. But the family is no better for him being jailed. It's a very emotive subject to be discussing.

 

[TCJBOLDIE]

I'm sorry but do the crime do the time. The victim is dead so what do you think should be done with the driver bearing in mind that it could very well have been one of your family .

One has to bear the consequences of ones actions/stupidity

PS Seriously do you really think that a lifetime driving ban would stop him from ever driving on a public road again given his scant regard for the law to date?

PPS not trying to start a war just stating my opinion and am happy for others to have and express a different point of view as I am sure many will, it's just that I consider myself to be a realist and not an idealist.

PPPS Has anything come to light as to how an unlicensed driver was able to get his hands on a hire car ??

 

[HDi fun]

I think we're asking the same questions TCJ.

I suspect that if his driving license had been in order and that he'd have hired the car legally, as it were, he would probably have managed to get the sentence commuted to a suspended one with a timely guilty plea.

 

[Yugguy]

A ban cant stop him driving. He'd already been done for driving when he shouldnt.

Make him go on national tv and explain just why he killed someone else.

Then 20 years for manslaughter.

I have no sympathy for him.

My sympathy is for the family of the man who died needlessly at the altar of some pointless youths testosterone.

Sorry, these kinds of things really annoy me.

 

[SLEEPER]

Im with yugguy on this .

He may have shown remorse but Feeling remorse is nowhere near as bad as grief.

Id throw the book at him -

Plus if he is "let off " where is the deterent for others who think 80mph in a built up area without license and insurance is ok.

We have not got all the facts but I think action should also be taken agaimst the hire company who must surely be culpable if they didnt check his documents properly.,

Thats unless he provided quaility forged documents so it was reasonable to hire him the car and if he did that they should lock him up and throw away the key .

 

[HDi fun]

It's difficult because we can be fairly sure he didn't set out with intent to kill someone. I can see why he got a custodial sentence tho.

 

[SLEEPER]

I agree that almost nobody sets out to kill deliberately but if you deliberately choose to put circumstances in place that make it likely then you are far more to blame .

Personally I dont think it is difficult because whilst the no licence/insurance doesnt show intent it does show a complete disreguard for others .

Now thats just my opinion and as such is worth no more than any one elses

 

[HDi fun]

I agree that almost nobody sets out to kill deliberately but if you deliberately choose to put circumstances in place that make it likely then you are far more to blame .

Personally I dont think it is difficult because whilst the no licence/insurance doesnt show intent it does show a complete disreguard for others .

Now thats just my opinion and as such is worth no more than any one elses

I am leaning to agree with you having considered this throughout the day.

It's like stabbing someone 14 times in the chest, then being surprised that they later die; go to court and then plea bargain for manslaughter over murder. I mean, what did you expect if you stab someone multiple times??

He was unlicensed and was driving at 80 odd mph in a built up area. It's not rocket science to work out the consequences. But let him out on parole after a reasonable time is served, with a lifetime driving ban. If he flouts it then back in for the balance.

 

[TCJBOLDIE]

If people are not locked up for some types of offenses then what are we going to do to prevent re offending/protect the rest of us?.

Over here we have people with multiple convictions for driving offenses driving to court only to have the Magistrate impose a small monetary fine and a further license suspension when they have ignored previous suspensions and leave the court and jump back behind the wheel to drive home IMO this seems that they are giving the magistrate and the rest of us the finger and locking them away for some time just may bring them to realize that their behavior is not acceptable .

 

[HDi fun]

This is a problem here too I imagine. Add in those who have not yet been caught.
The case here is a particularly serious one - I have been cogitating throughout the day and I do now feel that custodial was the correct sentencing in this case.

 

[TCJBOLDIE]

My son is a copper and is constantly frustrated with the soft sentences handed out by some magistrates who seem to be more concerned for the welfare of the offender than the rest of society.
FWIW I would approve of a 3 strikes and you're in sentencing policy implemented.

 

[davalav]

All this debate would be settled with is a life for a life. Shoot the inconsiderate moron, and UK's roads will be safer for many more years to come. 6 years after he go and do it again...

 

[stamford]

Unfortunately the punishment never fits the crime no matter what country or state it was carried out in. The car cut in half tells the story of what happened and this should be used to warn others who may harbour the same stupid thoughts for some fun. Okay a 6 year sentence was metered out, but this will no doubt be spent playing pool, XBox and watching DVDs. This should be in conjunction with a hands-on role with being supervised in cleaning up after RTAs with fatalities from similar acts as he did. What better way to see the consequences of ones actions and having to deal with the aftermath.

 

[davalav]

Brilliant idea, Stamford. Make them clear up fatalities from other crashes.

I've seen some horrid images of crashes, which saddened me deeply, let alone actually being there clearing up the aftermath.

 

[stamford]

I feel for the emergency services who have to deal with such scenes and yet have to remain composed, their scars will run deep and for life no doubt.

 

[Guybo]

I've met people who do bio-scene cleanup. You either have the ability to detach and it doesn't bother you at all or you are like everyone else and you just can't do it. I think people who can do that are sociopaths of some sort and so they choose a profession where they can put that complete separation from their own feelings to good use. They don't get scarred, they feel nothing when they get to work.

I talked to one guy who did that and he said that sort of thing doesn't bother him at all. He would go to a grisly bloody crash scene he has to clean up, others would be getting sick and shocked by the scene, he'd be eating a meatball sandwich waiting to get started working.

 

[stamford]

It certainly takes a certain type of person. Same as the wife dealing with old people and end of life cases. I couldn't do her job no matter how much money was offered. I do admire those that can detach themselves from such scenarios and not let it affect them.

 

[davalav]

I've met people who do bio-scene cleanup. You either have the ability to detach and it doesn't bother you at all or you are like everyone else and you just can't do it. I think people who can do that are sociopaths of some sort and so they choose a profession where they can put that complete separation from their own feelings to good use. They don't get scarred, they feel nothing when they get to work.

I talked to one guy who did that and he said that sort of thing doesn't bother him at all. He would go to a grisly bloody crash scene he has to clean up, others would be getting sick and shocked by the scene, he'd be eating a meatball sandwich waiting to get started working.

Im fine with blood and gore. However, I almost vomit if I hear or see bones breaking!!

 

[TCJBOLDIE]

Just hope that he can't get his hands on all of the FAST AND FURIOUS videos or was it them that he was trying to emulate.

 

[HDi fun]

I've met people who do bio-scene cleanup. You either have the ability to detach and it doesn't bother you at all or you are like everyone else and you just can't do it. I think people who can do that are sociopaths of some sort and so they choose a profession where they can put that complete separation from their own feelings to good use. They don't get scarred, they feel nothing when they get to work.

I talked to one guy who did that and he said that sort of thing doesn't bother him at all. He would go to a grisly bloody crash scene he has to clean up, others would be getting sick and shocked by the scene, he'd be eating a meatball sandwich waiting to get started working.

Really?? Front line service people are sociopaths of some sort??

Bit of a sweeping statement

I think you need to define the sorts of sociopaths you mention.

 

[Guybo]

Well, they don't feel the same things that most others do. Maybe sociopath isn't the right term.

 

[HDi fun]

Well, they don't feel the same things that most others do. Maybe sociopath isn't the right term.

That's fair enough. Wrong choice of word isn't crime of the century.

It's a job I'd prefer not to do.

I think they feel all of the pain, but they can set that aside and get on with the task at hand

 

[SLEEPER]

I've met people who do bio-scene cleanup. You either have the ability to detach and it doesn't bother you at all or you are like everyone else and you just can't do it. I think people who can do that are sociopaths of some sort and so they choose a profession where they can put that complete separation from their own feelings to good use. They don't get scarred, they feel nothing when they get to work.

I talked to one guy who did that and he said that sort of thing doesn't bother him at all. He would go to a grisly bloody crash scene he has to clean up, others would be getting sick and shocked by the scene, he'd be eating a meatball sandwich waiting to get started working.

Rarely am I actually upset by a post on here

I used to work in the hospital labs cross matching blood often from accidents so was and still am friends with doctors etc who attend these fatals . I once asked the obvious how do you cope question , answer -

You simply have to because people's lives depend on you . You just save the tears for the rest room

 

[HDi fun]

^ ^ Thankyou ^ ^

 

[Twamgl3]

I used to do emergency out of hours stuff, and on a few incidents I had to arrange clearing up after fatals.

Generally by the time I got to site it was just blood and debris that needed clearing up and I had to get a specialist contractor to deal with the blood, but I had been out to a couple where the decedents were still on site.

I won't go in to the details, but I don't think I would ever want to ride a motorcycle on the road.

It is strange how quiet people are on site. They're still working as they would any other site, but they speak with hushed tones.

The people that have to detal with it every day generally have good support networks.