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Non start this morning!

Discussion in 'General car Chat' started by Lunchmoney, 9 February 2017.

  1. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    Bournemouth
    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    Gah!
    Running late, rush out of the house.
    Rush back into the house to get lunch and car keys.
    Hit button for locking on car. Nothing.
    Try again. Nothing.

    Uh oh.....


    I can see the alarm light is out so I manually unlock the car and, with a certain trepidation, put the key in the ignition and turn.

    Nothing.

    At all.

    No dash lights, courtesy light, anything. Let alone a running engine.

    Balls.


    First thing, get a neighbour to bring their car over and hook up jump leads. Still nothing going on.

    Leave it for a few minutes and check again and we have dash lights. Still nothing else, just a ticking coming from the ignition. A relay, maybe?

    Bigger balls.



    Get a lift to work and call my garage.
    It's going in for service and MOT next week, but if I bring it (somehow) can they look at this problem? Sure.


    Just need to get it to the garage, which is 7 miles from home....

    First world problems...
     
  2. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    From:
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    Car:
    Saab 9-3SS T9
    It could well be that the battery is so dead that it will not accept a boost charge or jump start.
    Do you have a breakdown cover with any of the big boys or with your insurance provider?
     
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  3. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    From:
    Bournemouth
    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    Don't think it includes home start. Something to look up.


    Dead battery was first thought and then I recall replacing it a few months ago due to a similar problem. It appears that it wasn't the battery last time and probably isn't this time :(

    Could be the alternator or ignition system, or something else I've not yet thought of :(
     
  4. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Car:
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    Well when a battery is replaced by a professional, the first thing to do after it has been fitted is to test that the alternator is putting the correct charge back into the battery. Double check the earth lead back on to the car body work/chassis is clean and sound. Then have the chap check for any excess drain on the battery that you are not aware of, a courtesy light staying on, an alarm that wants more than it's fair share of your battery contents. This is particularly a problem and always rears it's ugly head when the weather gets very cold and the battery is at it's most vulnerable.
     
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  5. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    From:
    Bournemouth
    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    Update.

    I took the battery out and charged it overnight.
    Plugged it all back in this morning and the engine fired up right away - so it was a dead battery. Good to eliminate things like fault starters etc.

    I dropped the car off at my garage on the way to work and give them a quick overview.
    They suspect the battery is fine as it took a charge and worked this morning.
    Likely culprit is a parasitic drain or alternator. They are going to investigate and let me know.

    Most annoyingly my car keeps going off the road when I have a lengthy trip planned, so now we have to use the wifelet's Hyundai I20 this weekend. Whilst it will save fuel costs we both agree my car is more comfortable (despite, or maybe because of, the stiffer suspension, but definitely because of the better seats) and is preferred for any journey over an hour.
     
  6. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Car:
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    Hi LM, firstly that is good news about the battery, BUT, there is a big difference between a battery accepting a charge overnight and holding on to that charge for a period of time. They can do a discharge test on the battery which will help to determine the strength of the cells and their condition. Fingers crossed for you sir that the fault "The correct one" is found quickly and more importantly that it does not empty the wallet. |B
     
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  7. TCJBOLDIE

    TCJBOLDIE Pro Tuner

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    Car:
    JB Starion
    Has the car been checked for battery draining OR stray current discharge with everything turned off ?

    Every time I have had battery trouble has been in winter and have a jump starter in my auto trans 4X4 daily driver so am not left stranded miles from help.
     
    Last edited: 12 February 2017
  8. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    How annoying, I hope you get to the bottom of this.
     
  9. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    My garage have it and I would hope they look for all these things. I've not had any news yet.
     
  10. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    Keep us posted buddy!
     
  11. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    Update!
    My garage have had the car for a week and kept it indoors. Every morning they started it up and it fired first time, every time, bar one morning.
    At least I'm not going crazy.

    Their working theory now is the alarm system is draining the main battery.
    As I understand it the alarm (Clifford Concept 600) has it's own battery that charges off the car battery.
    They suspect a resistor is moist and this is short circuiting something and causing drain. I don't really understand electricals so I may not be explaining exactly what they said.

    They are going to keep it for a few days (probably another week at this rate as MOT test is booked for next friday) and keep searching and testing.
     
  12. Lunchmoney

    Lunchmoney Road Burner

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    Car:
    '98 JDM Impreza STI
    A cursory google search suggests this is a know problem as this alarm ages (it's 4-5 years old, can't recall exact date it was installed). The siren battery can't hold a charge and keeps draining the main battery.
    hmmm...
     
  13. T9 man

    T9 man TC Pro Founder Moderator

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    Car:
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    Very likely LM, the inbuilt battery in the Clifford is a self contained unit, the purpose of this is to sound an alarm should the rascal thieves stretch their hand up under the car with a pair of cutters and cut your battery lead; this then immobilises the alarm. The only way for the alarm battery to stay charged and ready, is to trickle charge off the main car battery. The quickest way to test for this is to unplug the loom from the rear of the alarm unit if it is that version. Some alarm units do not use looms with plug & socket connections and instead have long hard wired connections directly into the alarm unit. But, what all these alarms should have, is a key switch on the alarm itself or a hidden switch that disables the alarm battery for car services etc.
     
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