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Car Insurance for modified cars - tips and a guide

Discussion in 'General car Chat' started by obi_waynne, 13 March 2006.

  1. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    39,346
    From:
    Deal, Kent UK
    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    Here is a long overdue thread. Car insurance - all policies state "Has the car been modified, altered or adapted from the manufacturers original specification or has it been tuned.

    All insurers need to know if a car has been modified. The stats of the insurers generally show that modified cars are involved in more claims, not just accidents but there is a theft risk. There is also the possibility that lower suspension or wider wheels could adversely affect the handling of the car so the model they rated and gave a group to does not apply to your unique vehicle. So an underwriter needs to agree 'terms' of cover.

    Even stickers could represent a 'Moral hazard' to the insurers. Failure to notify insurers could render your insurance invalid leaving you to face prosecution for failure to insure your vehicle or if a claim is paid on your behalf they could well ask for reimbursement of amounts paid out for you so even if you are Third Party Only you could lose out.

    Always keep a copy of all correspondence sent/recieved in response to a modification being notified.

    Insurers may insure car at normal terms (no extra premium), Apply terms (extra premium, & or higher excess & or agreement to replace modified parts with standard parts.

    State honestly what you have done but note that a SPORTS EXHAUST is the same thing as a 3inch bore stainless steel exhaust with a 25 year guarantee. (One sounds much better to an insurer than the other.) As does a high performance air filter and washable direct replacement air filter. If a chip increases MPG state this as a big reason rather than a side effect and then state that it also gives slightly more power as a secondary reason.

    They will also look at the base car - diesels are favoured over petrol. A £500 car with a £1000 ICE install and £2000 worth of 20 inch alloy wheels is an obvious increased theft risk and most insurers would refuse this unless you agree that they can replace the stolen items with standard parts.

    Insurers want to see enthusiasts that love cars and look after them rather than the boy racer who wants to impress his mates in the 7/11 car park.

    Getting cover first then applying modifications later to the car often means the insurer will listen to you whereas they would refuse a new person with no record. Buying an already modified car is also a good bet - you didn't do the mods so theoretically are not so much of a risk.

    Modified friendly insurers - Norwich Union, Adrian Flux (TC members get a discount on this link or this dedicated number 0800 198 8998) - if you have any others please post them here. Many Lloyds syndicates will be willing to listen and offer you terms.

    UPDATE for 2011:
    We've teamed up with Tiger®.


    Tiger.co.uk® is a motor insurance comparison site offering insurance comparison from over 130 brands across car, van and bike. The site is completely independent, features a unique Easyfill® form and aims to offer online quotes whatever your circumstances.

    Here is the link to our exclusive price comparison website: Tiger

    Update for 2012
    We are now partnering with Sky Insurance a modified friendly insurer offering our members discounts of up to 20%!

    You should find the deals competitive and feel free to use the free number to get quotes via Call connection 0800 902 0602* (This number is not an insurer but they will help you find the best deals without you having to ring round.)

    *Call Connection opening hours are from 08:30 - 20:00 Mon - Fri, 09:00 - 17:00 Sat, Closed Sun. Calls may be recorded and monitored. Calls to 0800 numbers are free from standard UK landlines.
     
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  2. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    15,384
    From:
    Buckinghamshire UK
    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    If you're car is modified in any way you MUST tell your insurer. Insurance companies and underwriters themselves are wising up to the opportunities available for modifying cars to give substantial increases in power and torque.

    It's not so much that they don't want to insure you, but please do understand that insurance companies are businesses. Like any business, they operate to make a profit. If they can avoid meeting a claim they will do so. Non disclosure is not defensible by pleading ignorance.

    You'll find underwriters more accomodating if you can provide evidence of the mods carried out, by whom they were carried out and the resultant increase in power delivery.

    I drive a Peugeot 406 with the 2.2 16v diesel engine. It's been lifted (by means of an ECU re-map) from 136bhp to a healthy 192bhp, with about 330lbft of torque on offfer - yep, that's right 330 and, no, I have not confused this with Nm. As such, it goes like a bloody missile. Even punchy 2.5 to 3.0 litre V6 petrols can feel lame by comparison. It's the torque that you're driving, yet we all talk power! Never done an official 0-62 test, but an unofficial one gives about 7.8 seconds! The best bit is the midrange grunt - 50 to 70, about 3 seconds IN FOURTH!!

    Modern turbo-diesel units and superbly receptive to ECU tuning. Please avoid the dreadful DIY boxes - they're likely to destroy the fuel pump.

    My insurer is happy to cover the car, obviously for a slightly higher premium, but it's nice to relax and know that I have played fair and safe by all parties.
     
  3. cheryl_88

    cheryl_88 Torque Junkie

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    i completly agree with u, it is safe to no that your completly insured, howeva, why is it, that when i tried to insure my car, because i have onli just passed my test, i had alot of trouble finding a company that wud insure me knowin that my car had alloys and a body kit, i dont think this is fair. i understand that rates may go up, but it givs the impression that we cant have the cars we want as insurance is too high! opinions any1?
     
  4. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    39,346
    From:
    Deal, Kent UK
    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    The insurance market is fragmented into specialist areas. One market for young drivers another for modified cars. If you fall into 2 markets then the number of insurers that offer cover reduces to just a few. As soon as you fall outside the MR AVERAGE the insurers get very picky as these are often the cars that have claims which is something they want to avoid. It does seem unfair but that is life as they say.
     
  5. cheryl_88

    cheryl_88 Torque Junkie

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    BUT what is to say that havin a modded car means ur more likely to crash?
     
  6. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    39,346
    From:
    Deal, Kent UK
    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    Nothing at all. A modified car is more expensive to fix as the bodykits cost more and are harder to get than standard parts. :shock: There is usually a special paint job involved as well which can be a nightmare to match up. The modded car is more attractive to thieves and vandals (its - not me this is a statistical fact). Sometimes cars suspension and wheels are not set up properly and the car is more dangerous to drive or harder to handle than the standard car that the insurance companies rated the premium on. So your not more likely to have an accident but you are more likely to have an expensive claim than most! :cry:
     
  7. cheryl_88

    cheryl_88 Torque Junkie

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    makes sense!
     
  8. p4paco

    p4paco Tuner

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    From:
    london
    norwich union did me proud

    i'm with Norwich union.
    when i told them about my mods, they didnt even raise an eyebrow.
    the chap said i can have "UP TO 3 MODIFICATIONS" with no additional surcharge on my premium. :D but they're not interested in covering my ice install. they will only pay out upto £500 for ICE/stereo
    their service is TOP notch, my golf Had a misfortunate ending, so i've been through the processes.

    i dont think anyone will notice that a car has been remapped Mr HDI FUN, because it would be a very long winded process, they would have to download the data on the ECU an compare it with another data map from anothe car EXACTLY the same as yours. and Manufacturers often change specs/ hardware suppliers etc over the years of building the same model.
    so it is very difficult. :lol:
    in my experience
    the insurance engineer walks around the car for the condition, looks under the bonnet, wheels, and scrutinizes the accident damage and then checks the mileage to put a value on te car..

    Nobody checked the ECU on the golf. Remaps dont really leave any evidence.
    i would advise everyone to tell them abot any other Mods though.
    and like Waynne said;
    be careful to discribe your mods in their best light.
    Coz Insurers like car enthusiasts more then Boy racers.
     
  9. aswearing

    aswearing Torque Master

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    Car:
    Micra 160sr
    i have good protection on stereo equipment from direct line up to £2000, im only on £250 at the moment :?
     
  10. HDi fun

    HDi fun TC ModFather

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    From:
    Buckinghamshire UK
    Car:
    Passat 2.0 TDi
    My insurance has gone up steeply this year. Sadly those of us driving mildy modified cars are being punished for doing so. At least, that's how it appears. Sadly there's so many people out there who have no cover at all, even with stock cars.

    It seems a shame that enthusiasts, such as ourselves on this forum, are being punished for declaring everthing up-front.

    Maybe it's time to lobby the insurance underwriters for a fairer deal.

    Why should you, and I, pay through the nose so that someone else can drive around with no road tax, insurance or MOT cert in a vehicle that's not maintained properly?
     
  11. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    Deal, Kent UK
    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    It does seem unfair. I spent 14 years of my life working in insurance and got to see the other end but I'm still not going to defend them. Shop around for the best deal is about all you can do.
     
  12. Rudders666

    Rudders666 Track Warrior

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    Ford Focus ST300+
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  13. Massive

    Massive Torque Master

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    Weir
    Car:
    Clio 172 Cup
    yea, im with endsliegh, i told em i had a dvd player, and they just cover 500 for that stuff, havent had anything done yet to tell them, but they seem really cheap insurance for me, about a grand less than most others
     
  14. Pixel

    Pixel Road Burner

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    Swansea, Wales
    Car:
    Ford Fiesta Zetec-S
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  15. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    16,523
    From:
    Lockerbie, SW Scotland
    Car:
    Octy smoke machine
    the AA is like M&S insurance its only sutible if your over 35
    never tried adrian flux but think i will have to this year
     
  16. Pixel

    Pixel Road Burner

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    464
    From:
    Swansea, Wales
    Car:
    Ford Fiesta Zetec-S
    I guess like a lot of companies, they just hate young drivers. Its just most companies such as Direct Line showed me the door because I'm not 21+. Even though it was a high figured quote, I'm surprised AA gave me one at all!
     
  17. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    16,523
    From:
    Lockerbie, SW Scotland
    Car:
    Octy smoke machine
    yeah direct line chucked me off their website when i tried to get a quote
    the aa for a 1.4 civic that cost £4000 think it was around £7k mmmm
     
  18. k3ogh

    k3ogh Tuner

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    pug 306 1.4
    try e-modified car insurance i found them cheap mods include 16" bk racing alloys k+n induction kit lexus lights powerflow sports exhaust lowered 35 mil on spax springs and shocks big step down from 1600 only 580 with them 1 year ncb
     
  19. Pixel

    Pixel Road Burner

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    464
    From:
    Swansea, Wales
    Car:
    Ford Fiesta Zetec-S
    Worst thing about getting the online DL quote is that when they say they cant quote you right now, you cant go back and change the car. You have to close the window and re-type all the details.
     
  20. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    16,523
    From:
    Lockerbie, SW Scotland
    Car:
    Octy smoke machine
    dont know about that after they chucked me i never went back. did the same with the father in law foned him up and asked if he was looking at changing his policy it was all fine and well until he added the wife as soon as he said that she had pass plus the phone went dead
     
  21. kai_mitsurugi

    kai_mitsurugi Tuner

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    From:
    Swansea
    Car:
    Skoda Fabia vRS
    The hassle young drivers like me and Pixel have is trying to insure faster cars online. I must have tried to get an insurance quote with almost every insurance company. Currently i'm trying to get quotes for a Fabia VRS which I'm hoping to get in a few months so I'm putting in that i have 2 yrs NCB because by the time I can afford the car I will do. Very few companies will insure, the comparison sites are useless IMO. Always give stupid quotes. Funniest quote I had was for my 1st car, a MK3 Astra 1.4. The highest quote was £8401!! :amazed: and the lowest was £3.5k

    The only insurance company who give a realistic quote is Swiftcover.com who have quoted £740. Only thing that puts me off with them is that they are online only and you even print off you insurance cover note. Has anyone dealt with them before?
     
  22. bicko

    bicko Wrench Pro

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    From:
    merseyside
    Car:
    fiesta 1.3 wrc
    wow thats painfull, have you tried "moneysupermarket.com" all the quotes i got were above 3grand for my fizzer, perceveerence got it down to £1455 which is a grand cheaper than last year, and thats with all my mods declared!! but i know how you feel my 1st insurence policy was £2600 an that was for a sierra 1.6 that was so bleedin slow
     
  23. obi_waynne

    obi_waynne Administrator Staff Member Moderator

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    From:
    Deal, Kent UK
    Car:
    A3 2.0 TDI
    The crazy thing is that when you get a year older the ones that gave a silly quote are now interested and you have to do the whole market wide trawl again.
     
  24. pgarner

    pgarner TC ModFather Moderator

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    16,523
    From:
    Lockerbie, SW Scotland
    Car:
    Octy smoke machine
    cumon next year i turn 25 cheaper insurance here i come
     
  25. Prince

    Prince Torque King

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    From:
    Northampton, England
    Car:
    BMW E36 318is Coupe
    5 more years to wait for that! It'll be interesting when I have to get quotes for my Civic with the new engine! :lol:
     
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