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Old 27-11-2007, 07:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My friend insists that a particulate filter on a diesel is a CATalyst. I insist it is just a filter to remove PARTICLES from the exhaust? Can you help settle this arguement? Can you get a sports particulate filter?
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Old 27-11-2007, 02:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The particle filter is a stand alone unit. It is located upstream of the cat in the exhaust system and its purpose is to remove soot particles from the gas stream. The cat the proceeds to do its usual job of converting CO to CO2.

In diesels the cats are two way devices and run in unregulated mode (ie. no O2 sensor like a petrol car). Petrol cats are 3 way closed loop controlled devices, although the principle is much the same.

Most particle filter systems require some kind of fuel catalyst to be mixed in with the fuel. This is done automatically each time the filler cap comes off; the car registers the amount of fuel added and then administers the appropriate does of additive to the fuel tank directly. This additive is stored in a vessel adjacent to the fuel tank and needs periodic refilling, typically every 50,000 miles. PSA vehicles use an additive made by Rhodia Inc (formerly Rhone-Poulenc); its brand name is Eolys. The additive lowers the burning temperature of carbon so that the soot can be cleaned out of the particle filter periodically. This process is known as regeneration.

Regeneration is triggered automatically when pressure sensors either side of the FAP (particvle filter) register a pressure differential due to partial blocking (by the soot). During this process a number of things happen:

1. Intercooler is bypassed

2. Glow plugs turn on

3. Extra fuel is injected into the combustion chamber during the expansion phase.

This creates lots and lots of heat. So much in fact the the accumulated soot is literally burnt away. To my mind it's the equivalent of a horizontal chimney fire and probably as dangerous as one.

The process can be induced manually by a technician who has access to the appropriate diagnostic tools. This is called forced regeneration and can occur with the vehicle stationary in the workshop. In this situation, in addition to the intercooler/plugs/post injection the engine revs itself up to about 4500rpm for up to 40 minutes to burn off the soot. There's a rumour flying about that this creates so much exhaust heat that it's been known to burn the workshop's painted floor.

I'm told that some systems operate without the fuel additive but the principle is much the same.

So, no, a particle filter is not a cat. No, you can't get a sports one.

Technically you can remove it but you'd have to re-program the ECU to ignore the pressure sensors otherwise the system is likely to go into limp home mode with fault lights all over the place.

My car is fitted with a FAP, and to my mind it's technology taken too far.

What's the point of getting rid of a bit of smoke and replacing it with very very carcenogenic cerium compounds?
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Old 27-11-2007, 03:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So they are not good for performance then, I take it?

Seen the new Audi clean Diesel engine - it uses a blue fluid to mix with the exhaust gases and reduces pollution! I'll see if I can dig up some info on this.
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They're OK - the Peugeot LE Mans car used 'em.

I am told though that if I removed it from my remapped 406 (192 bhp currently) it would go to nearly 200!

So, no. They're not ideal for performance. But I wonder how much crap mine would belch out without it?
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And they're bloody expensive to maintain and use.

Give me a 4 litre V8 petrol, now, PLEEEASE, sod diesel with all the associated costs.
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what is the filter away as well now.
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Default Re: Is a particulate filter a cat?

No - I just remember hearing a scary story from a C5 2.2 HDI owner. Having said that, he did run it on Bio, and I'm told specifically that FAPs don't like the stuff.

Any more repair bills and I'll have to consider organ donation.
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