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mezzer · 05-12-2010, 01:44 AM

Hi all,

I'm new here and very interested in diesels. I have a Mercedes C Class W204 220 Sport (170 ps) and after driving it for a year or so am thinking about upgrading the performance. Its pretty good right now with strong torque but you get used to it, don't you?

Anyone else with a similar engine on the forum?

***T9 man*** · 05-12-2010, 08:31 AM

Greetings and Welcome!

**turbonutter69** · 05-12-2010, 12:18 PM

Hello and Welcome to Torquecars.

Hope you enjoy your time with us.

***HDi fun*** · 05-12-2010, 03:05 PM

ECU remap will give you what you're after.

Celtic quotes 364lbft and 212bhp.

mezzer · 26-05-2011, 03:04 PM

Hi,

Thanks to you all for your greetings. Sorry I was offline for a while. I'll try to look out for "Celtic". I've been looking at a product called Spider by www.dieseltuning.co.uk. This reckons I could increase bhp from 168 to about 205 and torque from 295 to 369. This puts it into the area of my last car - Audi A4 2.0T before the APR tune I had on it. Loved that car but the C Class is in another league to drive. Just that rattly engine...!

I'll keep you posted. Haven't seen anyone with a Mercedes diesel on here yet.

Cheers

**turbonutter69** · 26-05-2011, 07:49 PM

Welcome back buddy.

Your post got stuck in the moderation queue as you require 10 posts before you can upload pics or links. I've approved it for you this time mate.

Have a wander round an you'll soon hit 10.

**Fnorpan** · 26-05-2011, 09:20 PM

Hello there! Diesel is the best according to me, good choice! ^^ And ofc welcome one "newbe" to another

***waynne*** · 26-05-2011, 10:14 PM

May I as the site admin wish you a very warm welcome to TorqueCars. It is really nice to meet you and I hope you'll be spending some time with us over the months to come.
You'll find us one of the friendliest and most helpful car tuning forums around.

What plans do you have for your car? I'm sure we can give you lots of ideas and suggestions if you need any.

Do feel free to chip in on our other topics and discussions, we are all here to share our passion for cars. Being friendly and helpful is a forum rule here and I'm sure you'll fit in just fine.

mezzer · 27-05-2011, 08:23 AM

Thanks to you all for your nice words. I'll try to get to 10 posts then will upload some pix of my car (if thats poss). I like the understated look so its pretty much a standard C Class although its pretty well loaded from the factory with some nice toys like Harmon Kardon Pro-Logic sound, 18 in AMG wheels, bi-xenons etc. I'd like to have a bit more poke and perhaps a dual exhaust like on a V6 model (and my previous Audi). Will wait until the end of the year when the 3 year manufacturer warranty runs out....

Cheers.

**stamford** · 27-05-2011, 08:24 AM

Sounds like a beaut mate.

***HDi fun*** · 27-05-2011, 06:35 PM

It's a good engine and very durable. The V6 ones are sweeter but I suspect you'll find that post remap the 220 will smooth out quite considerably.

mezzer · 28-05-2011, 04:02 PM

THat's good to hear... (or hear less!). The diesel rattle seems so at odds with the rest of the car. My previous (petrol) Audi had just a nice subdued "mumble" at low speed - much preferable. Still it handled like a dog compared with the Benz.

***HDi fun*** · 28-05-2011, 04:32 PM

There is something to be said for RWD in that regard. Purity of steering. FWD as really only introduced as a packaging tool (ie. more space inside) and for simplicity of assembly. That isn't to say that it's bad - FWD has come a long long way since the 1950s and 1960s. And it's very very good in snow and ice. RWD can be a bit of a handful, even with full on stability control.

Onto engines..........I used to have a Peugoet 406 with the 2.2 HDi engine; well regarded for its refinement even now (it had twin balancer shafts and all sorts of stuff which the 2.0 HDi didn't have) and that engine got even silkier after a remap in 2006. Even the petrol four cylinder models were rough in contrast.

I'd recommend this for you car without a moment's hesitation.

**c9rcy** · 14-07-2011, 11:18 PM

hi mezzer, is that the newer shape 220, 4cylinder? i have a 270 CDI 52plate, im just researching at the moment. just thought id say hi to another fellow merc driver.

mezzer · 15-07-2011, 12:02 AM

Hi c9rcy,

Yes it is the 4 cylinder W204 new shape C Class (although not the very latest 2011 model).

I'd wanted the V6 diesel when I got it new in December 2008 but the extras got the better of me! Now its time to give it a little more power / torque.

Lots of remapping specialists out there - don't be tempted by diesel boxes though......

**c9rcy** · 15-07-2011, 12:17 AM

lol my dad got a brand new 220 in 2009 top spec, fully loaded, had it 3 month and decide he didnt like it. he was told that the engine will handle some serious tweeking tho. he went bk to a 55plate 320CDI with full AMG sports pk, had it re mapped it is well chuffed with it, think he said its around 285-290bhp but its the tourqe it has! its awsome!

i will defo look into having a custom re map, no box! also im looking at an uprated 320 turbo to replace my 270's and a K&N before the re-map.

**jarrus** · 16-07-2011, 01:47 PM

Exhaust upgrade wouldn't go a miss, 2.5" bore minimum. Custom exhaust places will make it sound how you want, even a quiet one is possible.

The 320 turbo should fit, as I think that the manifold flange is the same. Don't forget to mention it to your tuner when you get it remapped because they can do much more with it than the standard one. Look at bigger intercoolers or water injection. You can use water meths but the lambda probe in the exhaust will pull the diesel fueling as it will see the lack of O2 in the exhaust, so you won't get the gains from the meths, use plain water to get the charge temps down.

mezzer · 13-08-2011, 11:20 PM

Just wanted to update my piece on the remap of my C220 CDI (W204 model). The actual bhp / torque figures off the dynamometer - rolling road, before it had the benefit of a couple of cold starts and some serious road running were 199.2 bhp (167.5 std) and 368.3 lb/ft (312 std). Since then, subjectively, its getting better and I'll be taking it back for an update on the 1st test figures.

Happy days...!

**jarrus** · 20-08-2011, 11:02 PM

Nice mate

Also I did some more research on the turbo front, the 270 cdi turbo is better as an upgrade due to the compressor side being able to support more boost pressure.

mezzer · 27-09-2011, 05:15 PM

Hi Jarrus,

Were you addressing the piece about the 270 turbo to me or CR9RCY? As you know my car is a C220 (4 cylinder) and I think the 270 is a 6 cylinder. Is it likely the turbo would fit or am I mistaken?

Thanks for the interest anyway.

Just got back from a 2500 mile trip across Europe and man alive this thing goes so well once its above 60 mph. Not sure whether the 0-60 stint is that much different but the in gear acceleration is in another world from where it used to be. The torque is amazing and before you know it you're doing 135 mph (indicated), at least, in er, Germany I think it was officer......

**jarrus** · 27-09-2011, 06:41 PM

Yeah I was just saying in general mate,

looking at the flanges they do look remarkably similar, the compressor used in the 270 supports higher boost pressures which is useful for tuning a smaller engine, the 320 turbo would provide more airflow but wouldn't be able to do the boost you need in that engine. You will get a little more turbo lag but not much but you'll get a much broader torque band.