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**roryp15** · 27-08-2009, 10:21 PM

well would it be easyier just putting the 1.9 150 in then? cause i could end up with a 2.5 V6 still 150 bhp or ever and extra 30 bhp but then the hassle of fitting it in if it doesnt go straight in ect.

How easy is it to fit the 150? i wont be doing it my self but do you take of pipework, hoses and what ever else then take the engine out, put the 150 one in reconnect hoses? what do i do witht he ones that dont fit ?

so i need the ECU from the car the 150 came out of ? and whats the instrument cluster immobiliser ? where do i get that?

***HDi fun*** · 27-08-2009, 10:43 PM

This is one hell of a project. Finding a donor car with the PD150 1.9 is the devil's own job.

Good luck!

**roryp15** · 27-08-2009, 10:50 PM

why would it be so hard to find?

ive got a quote for £1400 for a reconditioned one but then i wouldnt ahve the ECU etc.

***HDi fun*** · 27-08-2009, 11:57 PM

The reason I've mentioned this is that very few PD150s were sold anyway. The ECU is possibly the same as the PD 100, 115, 130 etc. but you'll need the correct code and control parameters for the PD150.

The code is likely to be copyrighted by VAG so you'll have to find a legal source for this.

The re-con engine (what's happened to it that it needed a full rebuild anyway) will almost certainly not include pipes and ducting. You'll also need to find a suitable turbocharger.

I know you're mad keen on modifying your car but you might well do better to buy a PD150 GTi Golf and then simply let the re-map specialists get to work on it.

**roryp15** · 28-08-2009, 09:31 AM

yeah ive thought about new cars, thought bout evos, subarus, type R, celica GT4, BMW. Considered the lot, was close to buyign an evo 2 with 330 bhp the other month but my car is running better tha ever and i love the thing to bits so decided to keep it and just do the work to it.

Like i sayed before if i keep the 110 engine some else managed to get 200 bhp and sayed to get this you need

front mounted intercooler
520 race injectors
hybrid turbo or 17/22 turbo
custom remap
bottom turbo bracket
red turbo pipe
pancake pipe

what are the last 3 ?

Apparently that should be seeing 200 bhp+ and 300lb/ft+.

Would i need to upgrade the internals, eg forged pistons etc or would there be no need to?

**pgarner** · 28-08-2009, 12:53 PM

the 2.5 was fitted longitudinal in the A4 rather than transverse.

the instrument clocks are the what you stare out day in day out. tacho, speedo, coolant temp, fuel, and all the warning lights

turbo bracket im not sure about unless it was for the aftermarket one.
turbo pipe im guessing is the intake pipe from the airbox to the turbo
pancake pipe is the lower pipe from the side mount intercooler - so called because its been crushed

**pgarner** · 28-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Hdis right there people in the mk4s site trying to hunt down at pd150 without any luck.

anything youve done to your car can be removed and put straight onto the new car - youve not done any engine work.

just seems your wanting to spend a hell of a money and not realy sure about what your wanting to do.

200bhp with one 240bhp with another. you really need to tie down yourself to one or the other. both have pros and cons.

you say your cars running great now. then try and sell it you might be able to get a bit more for it.

**pgarner** · 28-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Hdis right there people in the mk4s site trying to hunt down at pd150 without any luck.

anything youve done to your car can be removed and put straight onto the new car - youve not done any engine work.

just seems your wanting to spend a hell of a money and not realy sure about what your wanting to do.

200bhp with one 240bhp with another. you really need to tie down yourself to one or the other. both have pros and cons.

you say your cars running great now. then try and sell it you might be able to get a bit more for it.

**roryp15** · 28-08-2009, 04:12 PM

im surprised you guys are still putting up with me, haha.

Right, ive always liked driving fast ( in a suitable place ) so i like a fair bit of power. My golf current is fairly quick but with only 110 bhp and 1?? lb/ft of torque it isnt as quick as i would like it. Ive always had the fiqure of 200 bhp in my head and feel that aslong as i get my car over the 200 bhp and over the 300 lb/ft mark, ill be happy.

Ive got about 7 quotes back for 150 engines ranging from 750-1400. I think ill get my current engin reconditioned as i wont have to worry about getting ECU's, codes, diffrent pipework etc.

I was reading a post that someone got a gt tdi 110 over the 200 bhp with the mods i listed earlyier : fmic, hybrid turbo, injectors, custom remap.

Im not too sure how much exactly this would cost. A mate got a fmic for his escort cossy for bout 400. Hybrid turbos i know can be expensive and not too sure bout injectors.

Im still wanting to keep the same car.

**pgarner** · 28-08-2009, 05:24 PM

hybridising my turbo costs around £850 however the turbo needs to be in good condition, no cracks - even hairline - in the housing. not sure if yours is like the 130 and 150 and VNT turbo rather than fixed vanes.

custom remap your probably looking around £600

front mount - can pick up a ebay special for £100 then you need the pipework say another £80. or you can buy the proper ones, such as forge at nearly £600

unit injectors (PD ones) for the 130 and 150 engines cost 460 Euros for the set of 4 so say around £400

**roryp15** · 28-08-2009, 08:26 PM

my turbo is about 5000 miles old.

Spoke to a guy who got a stage 2 turbo ( is that the same as hybrid ) bought it for 1000 and put it on his skoda fabia 130 PD and it had a stage 2 turbo and a remap and was running 1.9 bar of boost. Is that alot? Id prefer to pay the extra 150 for a new turbo.

Would i need a forge intercooler ? can i not just get a front mount ? or semi decent one or is it the full forged line i need to go down?

whats the diffrence between 520 race injectors and the 130/150 PD ones?

Do you think i would have to upgrade any interals aswell with running this much power out an engine which is only supposed to produce 110 bhp.

**pgarner** · 29-08-2009, 02:15 PM

stages dont mean a thing mate.. could mean its a hybrid.

intercooler no as long as you get a semi decent one of ebay you should be fine. the forge one comes with all the pipework and modified crash bar. means your just hacking the front bumper rather than the crashbar yourself, then the bumper and then trying to work out all the pipework. really i just put it up to show you the difference in prices.

i only put up the price as i had it to hand not sure how much the 520 injectors would cost you

quick google turned up the tdi club
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=2558146

bout halfway down it shows the 130 tdi injectors as supposed to be 520cc and the 150 as 550cc

**roryp15** · 30-08-2009, 12:44 AM

So is the forge intercooler one of the dearest? So could I be expecting to pay anywere between 300-600?

Does that mean 150 injectors are bigger than 520race ones?

Where can I pick up injectors from?

Wohldi need to upgrade pistons, rings, conrods etc aswell or should standard internals hold up?

**pgarner** · 30-08-2009, 04:41 PM

the forge isnt the dearest there are ones that are alot more dearer than that

not sure why the 520cc are being classed as race tbh 1000+cc to me would mean race. the 150 ones should be enough for your 200 as remapped they give over 200 on some maps.

internet, dealers, motor factors etc

not sure mate

**roryp15** · 30-08-2009, 08:47 PM

So the 150 injectors should be fine for seeing atleat 200 bhp ? and over 300 lb/ft torque.

How much extra power can you expect from a hybrid turbo ?

So whats the best option to go with for the FMIC?

Also i know i should of thought about this first but if im looking to put an extra 90+ bhp and not sure where torque is standard but say an extra 150 lb/ft of toruque, can i end up blowing my engine ? how do i prevent this ?

***HDi fun*** · 30-08-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by roryp15

So the 150 injectors should be fine for seeing atleat 200 bhp ? and over 300 lb/ft torque.

How much extra power can you expect from a hybrid turbo ?

So whats the best option to go with for the FMIC?

Also i know i should of thought about this first but if im looking to put an extra 90+ bhp and not sure where torque is standard but say an extra 150 lb/ft of toruque, can i end up blowing my engine ? how do i prevent this ?

300lbft will be fine if you are sensible when the engine is cold and keep your servicing up to date.

**roryp15** · 31-08-2009, 11:14 PM

So after i got all the information i need thanks to everyone especially Pgarner and HDi fun i know what my route is going to be.

Im going to get a fully recon ASV engine. I may upgrade some internals depending on price or i may leave it how it is.

decent air intake

R32 bodykit

OLD r32 style exhaust but insted of one pipe either side im going to get 2 so for pipes in total and that will be de-catted and straight back to the turbo.

Front mounted intercooler

550cc injectors

hybrid turbo

custom remap

maybe a shot of nitrous. Was looking into 50-100 hp shot. Not to use alot just for VERY rare use.

Hopefully with that, without the nitrous engagged i will be seeing 200+ bhp and 300+ lb/ft toruque HOPEFULLY

**pgarner** · 01-09-2009, 07:31 AM

me being picky mate. dump the r32 kit it its been done to death along with the anni style kits. take it youve been over on the ukmkiv site ? just about every one on theres like get a r32 bodykit on it, lower it and fit a milltek. alot are knowledgeable but most seem to want every car to look the exact same. similar over on the seatcupra everyone says make it look like LCR

try having a look at
Caractere

or
oettinger

**roryp15** · 01-09-2009, 06:49 PM

Not 100% sure what I'm going to do with the bodykit. Going to go with the power mods first.

Would increasing the power by this much not #!#!#!#!#!#! the car up as it's done 11600 miles and not wanting anything to blow up or anything to go wrong.

I'm adding hybrid turbo, 150 injectors, intercooler and a custom remap.

**turbonutter69** · 01-09-2009, 08:20 PM

As long as the services etc are up to date and you let it warm up properly before booting it and also let it idle for a few minutes before switching off you should have no problems.

**roryp15** · 01-09-2009, 08:31 PM

Well I'm going to get it serviced before I do anything.

The reason I'm worried as a pal that likes his fast cars and he sayed the car is been build to produce 110 bhp and say I take it to 200 bhp that's putting an extra 90 bhp strain on the engine which it won't like one bit and could end up blowing something.

**pgarner** · 01-09-2009, 09:52 PM

when you go to get the work done make sure you speak to a VAG specialist they will know the limits of the bottom end.ie the 1.8t engine in, its basic 150bhp, can handle more than double that. not sure onthe diesels. i doubt any decent tuners would allow you to put down too much without warning you. at the very minimum this means they arnt liable if you tell them to do the work and it goes bang 100 mtrs down the road

**roryp15** · 02-09-2009, 10:16 AM

Im not wanting to do all the work if im going to try down the road and the engines going to blow. The turbo has allready blowen ( was a blocked oil feed pipe ) and blew when overboosted ( remap ) but im not wanting anything else to blow now that its running fine. Would it be the bottom end of the engine that would blow ? what parts is that ?

**pgarner** · 02-09-2009, 08:15 PM

could end up with a rod coming through the engine

this is actually a 3.2 engine from a R32 golf not a 1.9

might be worthwhile speaking to the likes of jabbasport, JBS auto or Awesome Gti to see what they say the blocks capible of