Diesel - no longer dirty and slow - no longer cost effective>>>>????

[theballboy]

Originally Posted by HDi fun

Servicing is more frequent and more costly.

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I dont really understand why this is. The VAG PD engines can be serviced every 20k I think and even if it was 12k is that not the same as petrol engines? Never thought the cost differed but then again, I talking about an independent mechanic or garage doing it def not the dealers (rip off)

I do understand that diesels really do need regular servicing and a more prone to damage without and that such things as injectors/turbos/dmf come into play. Is it this kind of thing your refering to?

I too love that mid range shove but would like one where the 2nd gear isnt so short either

[pgarner]

the PD engines were something else and could be put on the 20k long life sedules. but the more modern common rail engines do need looked after more, youve also go the partical filters that cleaned every so often - this requires an additive HDi will be able to say more on this

[theballboy]

Still considering one of the VAG PD TDI 170 engines which give a respectable 400+ torque and 200+bhp when chipped

Does the mondy have a diesel particulate filter? When or how often does it need cleaned?

[pgarner]

think all diesels after 2004 had to have them fitted
you need to watch for the change overs if your going for vag. some were PD and some were common rail. thay are now all common rail

[theballboy]

yeah the 06 / 07 models are PD and the new CR I think 08. For some reason the AUdi a4 with the 170bhp tdi can be chipped to more than the other seat / volks / skodas. (bluefin projections) Why would this be the case?

[pgarner]

not sure as they all use the same engines.
bewarned its not as clear cut as 06 and 08 for the change overs. the b7/8 (?) a4 audis to get the 2.0 were common rail when VW skoda were still running the PD system
seat for instance ran the 140 pd engine up to may 2009 where they started fitting the CR engine

[Poddy]

This is what i have learned from My Kia.

Its a 1.6 Turbo Diesel - 140bhp (modded) insurance group 4

i get about 45mpg when giving it s fair bit of shoe, taking it easy i get around 55mpg and over 600 miles to a tank (45ltr tank)
The turbo in my kia seems very old school, you get the boost all at once, no gradual increase, its all there in one big dolop

Compare this to a Vauxhall VXR Corsa 1.6 turbo petrol - 192bhp insurance group 16

gets about 350 miles to a tank (45ltr tank), yes is quicker by a good margin, but the costs of buying a VXR compared to my kia are alot more.


We'll go witht The ProCeed as its about £500 cheaper than a regualr ceed

Pro Ceed 1.6 CRDi 113BHP - OTRP - £15,525.00 (Top of the range model)
Vauxhall Corsa VXR - OTRP - £18,600.86 (Top of the Range Model)
The new astra Prices start at £16,338.80 (so it will cost even more than the VXR Corsa

serviceing will probably cost an arm and a leg unless you go to a VAT Registered Machanic and get him to do the servicing (so you can keep your warrenty)

so to me the whole thing about diesel not being what they once were is abit of an over exagguration.

Please correct me if you think im wrong though