Can you/ is it worth upgrading diesel turbos?

[Poddy]

Is the Honda 2.2 found in the accord the same as the ford 2.2 in the mondeo?

[pgarner]

the turbo may be but i doubt the engine is

[Poddy]

because i remember readying somewhere that with just a remap and with nothing else the Honda Accord 2.2 i-CDTI goes up to around 220bhp from 136bhp standard, which i thought was pretty impressive

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by Poddy

Is the Honda 2.2 found in the accord the same as the ford 2.2 in the mondeo?

No. Honda's engine is their own. I don't recall them being as tuneable as the Ford/PSA units.

But I've just checked. They will indeed to go over 220bhp (!!!) but the torque stops just short of 300lbft. The PSA/Ford 2.2 twin turbo will go to nearly 360lbft. That's the biggie for me!

This must give the DMF a serious battering though

[Poddy]

the Honda is only a single turbo though which may be the reason behind the realitivly small torque figure

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by Poddy

the Honda is only a single turbo though which may be the reason behind the realitivly small torque figure

That's a good point. Honda also uses offset geometry for the rods and pistons. Along with a very low (for diesel) compression ratio. All in the interests of Mr Honda's dislike for diesel. But the Honda fours are amongst the most refined of diesel fours. PSA's DW12 is silky but not to the degree the Honda i-CDTi 2.2 is.

[Poddy]

i would go for the honda, but that just me, plus the image of a more reliable car couldn't hurt

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by Poddy

i would go for the honda, but that just me, plus the image of a more reliable car couldn't hurt

It's a good option. Honda has a brilliant reputation for reliability.

I might, just might, go for the Ford 2.2 as a new purchase.

But I really prefer a six cylinder in line diesel to take away the problems that DMFs can introduce.

[Poddy]

or just go all out and buy an Audi q7 v12

[HDi fun]

IS there a Q7 estate?

[pgarner]

nope but at the size of it the 4x4 is big enough

[Poddy]

Audi Q7 V12
6.0 TDI
500PS
1000Nm

OTR - £98.225

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by Poddy

Audi Q7 V12
6.0 TDI
500PS
1000Nm

OTR - £98.225

The price is a slight problem as well.

[Poddy]

and thats before you choose any extras

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by Poddy

and thats before you choose any extras

I wonder what else could be fitted if the base price is FROM £98k

That's got to be the definitive road going diesel car if cost is no object.

[Poddy]

Heres the price for a Q7 with all the optional extras

£126,095.00

Car

Engine

96,670.00 GBP V12 TDI quattro tiptronic 500 BHP
Combined fuel consumption: 25.0 mpg
Combined CO2 emissions: 298 g/km
Urban consumption: 19.0 mpg
Rural consumption: 30.3 mpg

Exterior
650.00 GBP Lava Grey, pearl effect

Interior
Material: Verano leather
upholstery: black
dashboard: black-black
carpet: black(velours)
headlining: pale grey

Equipment
Audi excl. forg. alum. alloy wheels, 10Jx21, 7 twin-spoke des., high-gloss pol., w. 295/35 R 21 tyr. (quattro GmbH)
1,300.00 GBP

Double glazing
525.00 GBP

Advanced leather package
3,800.00 GBP

Comfort seats for the 2nd row of seats; six seats, including 3rd row of seats
550.00 GBP

Manual blinds for rear window and rear door windows
205.00 GBP

Headlining in Audi exclusive black Alcantara with contrasting stitching in light grey
1,500.00 GBP

High-beam assistant
115.00 GBP

Panoramic glass roof
1,500.00 GBP

Towing bracket, electric
850.00 GBP

Rails system with load-securing set
200.00 GBP

Ski / snowboard bag
150.00 GBP

Four-zone automatic air conditioning
550.00 GBP

Non-smoking package
0.00 GBP

Garage door opener (HomeLink)
175.00 GBP

Audi exclusive cooler box
1,300.00 GBP

Leather-covered multifunction steering wheel, 4-spoke, with gearshift function, heated
50.00 GBP

Audi side assist and Audi lane assist


Steering wheel, electrically adjustable in height and reach
300.00 GBP

Front seats, electrically adjustable with memory function
450.00 GBP

Exterior mirrors, heated, with automatic anti-glare action, electrically folding with memory function
-.--

Parking aid advanced
375.00 GBP

adaptive cruise control
1,100.00 GBP

Comfort key
955.00 GBP

Rear side airbag system
250.00 GBP

Audi Bluetooth car phone with cordless handset in the centre armrest
700.00 GBP

Bang & Olufsen Advanced Sound System
3,925.00 GBP

TV reception, analog/digital, and digital radio reception (DAB)
1,150.00 GBP

Rear Seat Entertainment (RSE) plus (quattro GmbH)
4,200.00 GBP

Audi music interface
250.00 GBP

2 year warranty extension
1,310.00 GBP

Basic RRP: 96,670.00 GBP Equipment 28,385.00 GBP

[pgarner]

tis also the one that as standard, bar a bigger towbar, towed a boeing across the runway to show what it was capable of.
also shares the same engine with the R10 race car

[HDi fun]

Originally Posted by pgarner

tis also the one that as standard, bar a bigger towbar, towed a boeing across the runway to show what it was capable of.
also shares the same engine with the R10 race car

I thought that was the V10 Touraeg TDi

[pgarner]

my mistake i thought the Q7 and toureag were the same car different badge. looks to be a different engine as well

[Poddy]

the Q7 has the v12 from the R15

[HDi fun]

All this Rs Qs and Vs is getting too much for me.

I'm gonna design a V1 engine

[pgarner]

now i know you joking
youve said plenty of times your not willing to get your hands dirty

[HDi fun]

I only said design. The chance of me building it are effectively nil. My mechanical efforts stop at replacing an air filter or pollen filter element.

I did do my own work once upon a time but that all stopped years ago.

Then my eyesight started to deteriorate so I cut that out as well.

[pgarner]

haha ill give you a help with the designs then we can go splits on all the money we will make

my design is

/ or do you want \ instead

[HDi fun]

I was thinking of this > with an articulated connecting rod